VC Plug-in Updates for AE CS5 x64

UPDATE: Twitch ZIP file updated. Thanks.

Alright! So many of you have upgraded to After Effects CS5 for all the 64-bit amazingness and so we have been working to update our 32-bit plug-ins to work with the new version. Of course we will continue to develop and support the our 32-bit plug-ins as well.

Here is what you need to know for VC Tools:

All of our Stock Footage, Music and Sound FX products like Action Essentials II & Pro Scores are already compatible with AE CS5, there is no update required. The free video Copilot Presets will also work in CS5 as well.

For our paid plug-ins such as Optical Flares, Twitch, as well as our free tools, Sure Target and VC reflect, After Effects CS5 requires a 64-bit version to work.

Here is the download information:

VC Reflect 64-bit

Sure Target 2 64-bit

Twitch 1.1 64-bit (Requires email address, re-use your current license)

Optical Flares 64-bit:

While working on the 64-bit update for Optical Flares, we ran into a small hitch that was going to change the way pop-out windows would behave on OS X. So we decided move forward on a new feature that would solve this problem and give people with larger screens more space.

Basically the Optical flares update will now launch in Full-Screen mode, with resizeable control windows to take advantage of more screen space for editing and browsing presets. This update will be available for 64-bit and current 32-bit customers at no charge.

We apologize for the delay and we expect this to be available next week.

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168 Comments

andy
2 years ago
hey andrew, do you have the twitch for cs6 (64bit)for windows update? i guess it's time for you to upload it
laila
2 years ago
Andrewwww
i really need your help
i have downloaded the sure target plug in file on my ma but when i double click the 64 bit mac plug it does not work
what should i do?????????? :(
3 years ago
hi there i have af cs4 and will be getting cs5 do i have to buy all mu plug ins again

thanks francis
Karthik
3 years ago
will twitch work for Premiere pro cs5 in mac 64bit
eduloko08
3 years ago
Woow muchas gracias
L.rose
4 years ago
I wish there was tutorials for from start to finish when it comes to downloading and installing plugins. it would make things easier for folks like me..lol
milad
4 years ago
VERY THANKS MAN
Roshan
4 years ago
hi if i can use this software for mac os (AE CS5)
yunsu
4 years ago
Hi Andrew
Do these presets work on AE CS5, Win 7 64bits?
how can i put the 64bit plugin into the plugin folder?
4 years ago
Great! You've gotta put a link to this on the main Sure Target page, I had to go to google and search before I was able to find if you had a 64bit version.

Thanks A lot.
4 years ago
Awesome,
By the way,
Your product is outstanding, thanks so much Video copilot.

Diego Torroija
Director-FX Supervisor-Designer
Two Door Productions
www.twodoorfx.com
1025 Greenwood Blvd., Ste #175
Lake Mary, FL 32746
Studio: (407) 833-8602
Soheil_2034
4 years ago
tanx alot andrew
4 years ago
Thanks to Andrew!!!
Johnny
4 years ago
Something interesting I noticed about Sure Target 2 64-bit on CS5 for Mac. When you apply it to the null from the Effects & Presets panel, I get an error message and it doesn't work, sometimes the program crashes too. When I apply it from the Effects drop-down menu, no error, no crash, plugin works. Seems like a little bug.
ali
4 years ago
hi
I think if you add a null object to any target linked to the layer in your sure target and then target the camera to it not to the layer itself, it will be possible easier to tilt and pan by moving null object.
sorry for my bad english and thanks
Levis
4 years ago
Thanx Andrew :)
P2J
4 years ago
Hi Andrew,
Thanks man..
we are producing a film that inclouds ur tuts.we love U.thats a honnor and action film that ur tuts help us;)
THX.I'll send U a DVD.we live in IRAN and it's our first movie.
C U SOON.:)
julio
4 years ago
god bless Andrew,my father'sname andre
gecegorus
4 years ago
thank u man :))
Im from Turkey.
You good man:)
4 years ago
Thank U so much!!

You Andrew, rock!

Thanx from Riviera Maya!, I'm already using the CS5 and I have some multitask problems, that I haven't experience with CS4, I love that the Encoder has to many more options for decodification, I'm waiting for more plug ins for After, so, TANK YOU very much for this ones!, I already have Trapcode, and expecting MORE to hace fun with it!

You really Rock!
Brian
5 years ago
hey guys, i just wanted to leave a post, i have one of the new macbook pro i7's and im pretty sure its a 64 bit, otherwise aftereffects cs5 wouldnt work on it, anyhow i downloaded the suretarget 2 plugin and i dropped the 64 bit plugin file into my plug in folder and it didnt work, so i then tried the 32 bit suretarget plugin file and that worked.
If im wrong sorry, to bother

you guys are doing and awesome job

cheers
5 years ago
lol I keep seeing your tutorial being used every where I was just watching "CHUCK" on NBC and I saw that tutorial that makes you go through the earth to the next level. I keep seeing the underwater text in some movie commercials too. lol!
Mathias Laustrup
5 years ago
Hello dear Andrew. Can you make a tutorial or something at that text? Looks really awesome.
Thanks :)
5 years ago
does evolutions work with ae cs5?
5 years ago
Is the 32bit version of Optical Flares still be available?
thnx
Cameron
5 years ago
Just got a job doing commercials and i'm into the Film Magic Pro Presets was wondering if there will be an update for that as well... No rush... Keep up the good work
Paul John
5 years ago
do you have now a release of optical flares update for cs5??
Steve
5 years ago
I'm looking forward to the Optical Flares update - was hoping for it this week but better to get it right than fast. I was amused at the posting stating that it will be available next week (which is this week last week) - maybe next week. BTW - super tutorials, Andrew - your tutorials are the reason I decided to branch out from video editing to compositing. Truly brilliant!
Charlie zoofe
5 years ago
any word on OF 64 release??
Gonzalo
5 years ago
Andrew,
Thanks for thinking on us.
You website is incredible, I really learn how to use after effects looking your tutorials.
Now I have a little question. In one of the tutorials I look that there is a plug-in call Quick Matte. My question is, the quick matte plug-in is an old one plug-in or a new one, coming out soon??
Thanks again, you’re awesome
wilson K
5 years ago
hey Andrew,
it seems that you are working with JJ.Abrams agasin.
the title of the new teaser of movie"super 8" by JJ.Abrams
is using Optical Flares!!!!!!

any answers???
albanypromoguy
5 years ago
Andrew, did you do work on the "Super 8" teaser for JJ & SS?

Looked a lot like Twitch + Optical Flares to me!
5 years ago
Andrew you are driving me crazy between this post and the last. I think ive viewed your website every second :]
You are the best anyways..
Sandro Lara
5 years ago
hello andrew,
I follow your work for a long time and I think that what you do is fantastic. Not only the quality and creativity but mainly for their selflessness in sharing this with other artists. For this reason, I wanted to know from you if there is the possibility to export the information from the camera to a program after 3d (in my case, the lightwave .. but could be maya or 3dsmax.) If possible I would like sincerely to know. I found a script but that only works on version 6.5 of After and only on PCs, Mac does not work.
If you can give me a "light" in that sense, I would be very grateful.

I appreciate the care received.
Suvesh Panda
5 years ago
Thank you so much Sir

you are proved that Video Copilot is always different from others also ur mind sir, its a better way for all vfx stdents in India
Matt
5 years ago
is the ANDREW KRAMER doing the trailer for SUPER 8, looked like some twitch, optical flares and awesomeness!!!!!
Rob Fiedler
5 years ago
In reference to my problem of loading CS5 Premiere Pro when VC Reflect and Sure Target 64 bit are in the common/plug-ins/CS5/MediaCore folder: Thanks to Ann Bens on the Premiere Pro Forum. She suggested that I move the VideoCoPilot plugs to the After Effect Plug-in Folder. It worked. After Effects stills recognizes the great VideoCoPilot plugs and Premiere, now, loads.

Thanks, all.
Rob
5 years ago
dont worry i tried and window 7 asked me to remove cs5 if i want to install cs3 so you cant have both.
5 years ago
so here is a question for you smart guys out there.
can i install back my cs3 32bit on my new window 7 home premiume even i have cs5 on it?
5 years ago
Any word on when Optical Flares will be released???? This week????
5 years ago
@Michael - no, you can have both cs4 and cs5 installed at the same time. Probably always a good idea to keep the previous version around in case you have any problems with the new (especially since cs5 require you to update all your plugins with 64bit versions.)
vix80
5 years ago
how many days for update cs5 “optical flares”???
5 years ago
when are we going to get optical flares updates?
Jose Luis
5 years ago
Esperando esas actualizaciones!!!!!
Y saludos!!
R.A. Elliott
5 years ago
You have to do another 3ds tutorial with text... That 64-bit picture you posted is pretty slick.
5 years ago
With OF there is a message appear: after effects error: invalid filter. I don't know. I moved my entire folder into plug in folder without touch or delete any files.
    cheeno
    3 years ago
    hey i had the same problem.. im using cs4 on a 64bit intel mac.. what i did was use the 32bit version of sure target instead of the 64bit, it solved the problem
5 years ago
gdesign.
if its not 64bit lugins they wont show i tried my old plugins they didnt work .
5 years ago
I don't know why my plug in TRAPCODE and LENSCARE doesn't appear into effects on the option bar. There's a special procedure for that?
Rob Fiedler
5 years ago
Hi Andrew. Thanks so much for the update. Works great in After Effects CS5.
Has anyone else had a problem with Premier CS5 loading caused by Reflect and Sure Target in the common/plugin/CS5 folder? My Premier CS5 won't load unless I remove those files from the plugin/CS5 folder?
Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks again for all the great products and tutorials.
Michael
5 years ago
Out of curiousity.. should i uninstall all of cs4 before i go to cs5?
vix80
5 years ago
how much for update cs5 “optical flares”???
5 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrDrFvn8U3Q

Video Copilot is in the credits !!! :D
5 years ago
Thank you so much Andrew..
AVFXStudios
5 years ago
Thanks A.K for everything you are so amazing and ur tutorials are fantastic. i dont know if anybody has this problem but i cant find the CC plugins especially the plug-in cc particle world on AE CS5 maybe its cos i am using the trial version. but can any body confirm if it is available on CS5 ? or even the registered version cos it would be a shame they dont include CCPW cos the plug-in is so simple and cool and A.K uses it in loads of fantastic tutorials like the thanks alot.
5 years ago
saw it on Layers
5 years ago
any news updates would be helpfull in these hard times we are sitting ducks with no socks on ,they got knocked off some how .
Lucas
5 years ago
Motion graphics for super secret project super 8 by jj.abrams ?^^
5 years ago
I see people posting a super8 trailers and saying very nice Andrew, did andrew made the text in the trailer or no please confirm.
eMendez
5 years ago
@Francisco- Hey como aprendiste a usar RealFlow en Max? eh buscado tutorials pero no encuentro unos buenos.

Gracias
5 years ago
Excellent! I love you guys, best AE resource on the web, hands down! God Bless!!!
billy_pp
5 years ago
Thank Andrew K.
biko
5 years ago
thanks man..........
Jeremy
5 years ago
Good Tutorial on Layers TV (Layers Magazine)
vix80
5 years ago
how much for update cs5 "optical flares"???
Mauricio Alzate
5 years ago
thanks I can´t stop say thanks Andrew and videocopilot!!!
Chris
5 years ago
5 years ago
O.K. Thank you Andrew~

Anyway...I guess something...
Do you work the teaser trailer movie from J.J. Abrams?
I think this is your touch.(Twich & Optical Flares)
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/paramount/super8/
feky
5 years ago
THX Andrew you'r the best man....
5 years ago
I got VC reflect and twitch working on cs5 now for the rest we have to wait i guess.
5 years ago
Muchas gracias!

Andrew, sería un honor para mí que visites este video que he hecho en 3D y RealFlow....

..quizás aporte alguna idea o a alguien le guste.

Ya que tanto hemos recibido de acá, envío algo como agradecimiento:

http://www.buey-la.com.ar/video/buffaloSoldier.html


Cheers!
5 years ago
Hey guys,
I put the optical flares in the plugins folder and then open CS5 and i cant see it or find it under effects any one knows why any help please.
Matt
5 years ago
Thanks andrew for all of the great work you are doing. Looking forward to all the next great tutorials.
Rodolfo
5 years ago
Hi guys. i just got a question that for some of you may be dump but am having a lot of problems trying to install redgiant particular into cs5 for some reason i just cant install it. i dont know what to do but to go back to cs4. even though i like cs5 better for 64 bit. if anyone have any idea of what am doing wrong or what i should do please e mail me back to rodolfo.maxil@gmail.com thank you very much
Matt Cheah
5 years ago
By the way, I recently saw a trailer for a movie called Super 8. The trailer titles had what appeared to be a very distinctive style... would you know anything about that?
5 years ago
hey andrew or mark ,got a question how am going to get optical flares works on 64bit what should i do guys any one .
5 years ago
Thank Andrew K.
5 years ago
@ Richard,

Twitch Customers can reuse the current license already installed. If you purchased twitch and need to download a new license please email support.

Thanks.
Osama
5 years ago
HI,

can anyone tell me which plug ins exactly don't need the 64bit support. I am a little confused on that part

thanks
5 years ago
how can I get de twitch's licence AK?
Amine
5 years ago
Hi Andrew. Thanks for the new plugins. I was wondering if u used some sort of SSS material for the 64-bit logo
Brendon
5 years ago
Great Work!!

BTW...Just saw the teaser for the "Super 8" movie. It definitely looks like your style of work! Are you doing the trailer for this movie?
5 years ago
Great, Thanks !
Tyler
5 years ago
5 years ago
Hey Andrew,
is it possible to make the NumPad-Enter working for the Optical Flares PlugIn? This is one thing I'm missing in OF.

Best - Maurus
Vauger
5 years ago
All look at it and help to win the contest sending a link to your friends!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-5hg5f0SyI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-5hg5f0SyI
5 years ago
Good news. Delaying OF to take benefits of big resolution worth it. This way you will solve a little weakness in the original product.
5 years ago
I have a request on a Gravity tutorial if you you are up to that.
syaf
5 years ago
i just updated my pc to 64 bit windows 7...and all my old sata hdd cant function now...what gives??im at my office and still using 32 bit win xp and people said it occurs when changing between system bits??
f1a5h84ck
5 years ago
"I just downloaded it and it’s fine. Try clearing your browsers cache and download it again."

Yep. The problem was from my side. Thank you, William.
William R. Cousert
5 years ago
"sure_target_2.zip is corrupted.
I’ve downloaded it 5 times and there were errors all the time. ("

I just downloaded it and it's fine. Try clearing your browsers cache and download it again.
steve(tw)
5 years ago
REALLY THANKYOU!! I'm going to purchase your Optical Flares when i get salary =.=
it's so powerful~~
Mike Vanner
5 years ago
Thanks for your Plugins!

And while your at it:

1. Disable the mouse-over/open panel behavior

2. When I hit "Cancel" in the Optical Flares Interface then an annoying confirm dialog pops up, with no chance to tab to any of the buttons, and no button is preselected. Please get rid of this confirm dialog box, when I hit Cancel, I know what I am doing. That is an extra click every single time.
And if you want to keep it, label the Cancel-Button "Cancel...", This way I know that a second dialog box pops up. Don't use buttons labeled "YES" and "NO" where I have to read the hole text first to decide which button to press. That is an ugly Windows leftover. Buttons have to be labeled with what they do, like "Save" "Don't Save" "Cancel" whatever. (http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/XHIGControls/XHIGControls.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000359-DontLinkElementID_9)

2. When I change something in the Optical Flares Interface and hit "OK", no dialog pops up. And then there is no way to undo my changes, to return to the previous state, which is even worse. I loose all my previous settings. Please introduce a way to undo changes inside the After Effects Interface.

And keep up the good work.

Mike
Hem
5 years ago
Hi Andrew,

Thanks for progress towards CS5 64 Version.

Are all the plugins available to buy CS5 64 version ready?
or I still have to buy the olds and upgrade that way?

Hope to hear

Regards
f1a5h84ck
5 years ago
sure_target_2.zip is corrupted.
I've downloaded it 5 times and there were errors all the time. (
kamron
5 years ago
Hey thanks for this update Andrew & crew. Videocopilot Rocks
Salvador
5 years ago
wwoo, really thanks, i tried to work with cycore too but daam it doesnt work :S,

waiting fot OpticalFlares 64 :)
Mike Yull
5 years ago
Thanks Andrew and the videocopilot crew! Love the products!
5 years ago
THANX ANDREW YOU ARE MAN
Naveen
5 years ago
Andrew , JJ Abrams Super 8 trailer text animation seems very familiar, did you do it?
5 years ago
You guys are freeking wizards. Andrew you should be getting paid from adobe for making after effects the ultimate program of there entire suite.
Woody
5 years ago
Thanks Andrew - I LOVE YOU !!!
Gidz
5 years ago
Thanks Sir Andrew for these free update...
Mathias Laustrup
5 years ago
Damn that text looks nice! Cant you make a tutorial how to do it? Would be great!
Dipo
5 years ago
You're such good man
5 years ago
Hey Andrew can you post a run at CS5 user interface and give us headsup for those who havnt got it yet in your own way would be nice.cuz someone told me setting the short cuts is a little weird is that true?
Jaffe
5 years ago
Sure Target and Open GL in After Effects. Getting BSOD after installation of Sure Target 2. Running two GTX 260 in SLI. Have driver 197.45 which is latest to support Open GL and CL in CS5. Once uninstalled Sure Target 2 did not get any BSOD. If I have Sure Target 2 installed with open GL off then I do not get BSOD. Just giving you a heads up. Perhaps you can see if you can replicate the issue.
Matt
5 years ago
Thank you so much, awesomeness to the max!
5 years ago
1000 THANKS ANDREWWW LOVE YOU :P
Vincent
5 years ago
Hey guys,

I send my support request a bit to fast... After I red your update info, I guess my problem will be solved next week. You guys rock!!!

Thanks ;-)
Don
5 years ago
Looks like the preset dropdown box is missing from the plugin. But if I use the preset selection in AE the presets are there. Hope this function is fixed in the plugin. Thanks
5 years ago
Thanks Andrew! Twitch for Mac works perfectly now! =D
Ken
5 years ago
@Jaime
I have the same problem/issue. The Twitch Presets don't show up with Twitch in the Effects Panel even though I copied them to the presets folder.

VC Team, is this how they work in CS5 (Mac)?
Thanks
Aegis Kleais
5 years ago
Thanks for the ZIP fix.

Hey, will the Evolution Presets work in x64? Can I just move them over or will they need a conversion?
MB
5 years ago
VERY THANKS MAN
Matt
5 years ago
Hey Andrew, could you include the 3ds max file for the 3d bars tutorial in the project files? I was just wondering because i want to know how you make the glossy reflective material :)
naimalwan
5 years ago
thanks a million :)
Alisdair
5 years ago
@ Jaime - Adobe has hidden the effects presets in the plug-in window by default. You can make the effect presets visible by clicking that little icon in the upper right corner of the effects widow and choosing "Show animation presets". I went through the same confusion.
5 years ago
Thanks a lot to VC Team.. You are right next to us everytime
ِِAmr Hussein
5 years ago
thank you Andrew Kramer for VC Plug-in Updates for AE CS5 x64 I love you Plug-in
Peter
5 years ago
I Just still don't know what is the difference between bits? like 8, 16, 32 or 64 bits?
Jaime
5 years ago
Hi Andrew. I download the twitch update and install it, but i cant see in the plugin the animation presets like i used to in CS4. I copy the twitch presets folder inside the presets folder of CS5 just like in CS4, but to use the preset i have to go to the animation presets panel, navigate and apply. What am doing wrong?
Thanks
Marc
5 years ago
Thanks Andrew.

By the Way, is there a Manual available for Twitch?where every Interface Element is explained? I was wondering what does "Random Minimum" really do?
RocKst3aDy
5 years ago
thank you so much!!!
twitcher
5 years ago
Thanks for providing the 64bit versions. I just downloaded the new twitch plugins and everything is fine, but I do not understand why it is labelled version 1.1: I already had 1.2 (the file was from June 2009)
Do you recommend to substitute the 32 bit version 1.2 by this "older" one ?
Rob
5 years ago
Hi, I presume I put the aex of Twitch and the key again next to eachother?

Grtz
Rob
crumpy
5 years ago
Thanks for the heads up and the FREE updates.
timmy
5 years ago
OH YEAHHH!!!

btw: off topic...

AMAZING title sequence for super-8... I LOOOOVED IT !!!
dantel
5 years ago
cool thanks ak!!! i like ae haha
Mark
5 years ago
Andrew, one question if i may ask? Will you upgrade your After effects version to the newer one soon?
5 years ago
Thank you for keeping us in the know and know-how.
Dotshi Production
5 years ago
Thanks ... it's greatly appreciated!!!
5 years ago
Thanks Andrew!!! All good here :D
5 years ago
Thanks for updating the Twitch for Mac 64bit download.
All good here


Trev
5 years ago
Thanks Andrew :)
5 years ago
@Twitch for Mac: Good call on the mac Zip file. We've updated it and it should unzip properly now. Thanks!
5 years ago
Cheers Andrew! Always looking out for us!!
Looking forward to the 64bit Optical flares update!
dai
5 years ago
Me to can't uncompress Twitch.
Anyway thanks Andrew and can't wait opticalflare!
5 years ago
Yeah Andrew Twitch for Mac isn't working :S
5 years ago
Wow thanks so much :)

I think I'm gonna go buy twitch, gotta see how much money I got in my paypal. My websites adsense may pay for it.
5 years ago
I think I might buy twitch
5 years ago
When I download Twitch to my OSX 10.6.3 I am unable to uncompress the .zip.

I tried various tools to no avail.

What can I do next?

Trev
Richman
5 years ago
All at Videocopilot!

Thank you all 4 your effort to fix this!!!
Lord Kramer, you are the best- and we are your apprentices!!!
5 years ago
Well i just got back from frys leaving my pc there for the 64bit upgrade window 7.new motherboard new cpu new video card and new power supply 640$ bucks just to keep up with mr kramer.










4
5 years ago
Yes, my twitch file won't unzip either. VC Reflect and Sure Target do, but Twitch doesn't D:
lynch
5 years ago
@David

Yes, same problem here
Robert Schowengerdt
5 years ago
Awesome. Sure Target saves me time on a daily bases. A week without it made me realize how much I use it.
David Shough
5 years ago
I have downloaded the Twitch update for Mac 64 bit, (thanks, by the way!), but the file will not open. I have tried both the latest version of Stuffit Expander and Archive Utility on a Mac.

Anyone else having problems?
5 years ago
hey is cs5 better then cs4?

thank..:)
5 years ago
Great news, thanks for the update!

Any way you could do a quick release of Optical Flares 64-bit w/o the new changes so we at least have some OF functionality in CS5?

I'm in the middle of a big project and CS4 was crashing and driving me crazy, had to jump on CS5 right away - but I use OF all over the place (not just lens flares) and can't render anything for client approvals now.

I realize you'd prefer to just do one release, but hey, can't hurt to ask.... :)
Derrick van Niekerk
5 years ago
thanks, your still miles ahead of some of the other plug-in developers, so thanks for being so quick.

- Derrick
5 years ago
Was planning to buy Optical Flares in the next week or so but still running CS4. Will the 32bit version still be available?
thnx
5 years ago
THANK YOU Andrew kramer GOOD JOB!!
kenahn
5 years ago
SWEEEEET
Thanks so much Andrew Kramer!
Daniel
5 years ago
Too bad I`m not getting the CS5... I can`t wait to see that VFX on the new mini-film with Sam! Hope he doesn`t die... I like him. :)
5 years ago
Thank You so much! I just downloaded the trial of CS5!
5 years ago
Andrew, you guys are top-notch in all that you do. Thanks for working hard on these updates and also for providing them as free updates.
Emrico
5 years ago
ARE THE CS5 Most Better than CS4 ?? Plz I realy want know that, i going to Reinstal to win7 x64 only for AE CS5.
Costerproduction
5 years ago
Thanks man. What would we do without u??
5 years ago
Amazing! Have I told you I need to have your babies?
Dan
5 years ago
thanks man! its wonderful that you guys are jumping on this so early
5 years ago
Thanks Andrew for taking care of us ;)
5 years ago
Thanks. I'll wait to get CS5, though. Normality is in almost all of my projects, so I'm going to wait until an alternative comes out that works with CS5. Maybe a good plugin for you guys to develop.
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5 years ago
You guys are so pro in the way you do things. Good show!
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