New After Effects is going to be Amazing!

The next version of AE will include a Free version Cinema 4D Lite!
-Import 3D Models into Cinema 4D Lite & Render inside AE!
-Wow dude, that’s great!

Here are the specs of what is included in the lite version.

Render Cinema 4D Scenes inside of After Effects with Cineware!
-Import & Render C4D Files directly inside your composition like a footage item
-Access to Multi-Pass outputs
-Import Cameras  and Lights from C4D Files or use Comp Camera

Currently the lite version doesn’t include some things like polygon modelling or physics engine, but if you already have the full version of Cinema 4D, you can still use the Cineware plug-in!

Other AWESOME new Features in After Effects Next:
-Improved Camera tracker
-Insane Roto-scoping tool!
-Better Resizing with Bicubic Resampling
-Pixel Motion Blur & more!

This is a major upgrade and we’ll let you know about pricing and release date when we find out!

“But Andrew, how does this compare with Element 3D?”
We’re excited! And this will surely keep us focused on making V2 better than ever!

Having Cinema 4D Lite available for free in the next After Effects is awesome for everyone! Plus the cineware plug-in streamlines the workflow between After Effects and Cinema 4D giving you access to raytrace reflections & shadows too!   This is a tasty beverage!

And… we also think Element 3D can create some amazing stuff too, like this music video with incredible SPEED and interactivity from an affordable plug-in. We want people to think of Element 3D as a Super-Fast alternative to raytracing and use it when needed! And since every project has different requirements, we’ll do our best to demonstrate the advantages of both tools so YOU can choose the best workflow.

The possibilities are truly unlimited…

BTW: Did you know, ALL of our Model Packs and Pro Shaders already include Cinema 4D versions with textures so you can choose to work in Cinema 4D or Element 3D! Pretty clever

 

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Jarell
1 year ago
I am also interested about how VideoCopilot plug-ins will work with Adobe CC? I dont know is CC good or bad thing yet but sounds good so far.
1 year ago
As Far As After Effects CC, can we just Move Videocopilot Plugins from CS6 to CC like we did with CS 5.5 to CS6 upgrade? or will we have to Reinstall to After Effects CC?
    Jaime
    1 year ago
    I have the same question
Ajit Assi
1 year ago
I am planning on building a new computer and this will be my first time. Does anyone know what GPU I should get that can do 3d, play games, and use After Effects cs7?
    Nikhil Das
    1 year ago
    If you really need some perfomence boost for adobe application, go for NVIDIA Adobe certified GPU (I think GTX 660 is one among them). Or else you can go for Any other GTX series according to your budget. Bt take a look before you leap, coz expensive ones may not be the best one. Bt GTX Series of NVIDIA and 7XXX Series of ATI are a good choice and are multipurpose GPUs.
Robert
1 year ago
Cineware sounds like a good tool since I'm already on C4D, but the whole subscription-thing sounds like a 'BOYCOTT Adobe,' to me.
Andrew, hope you guys have something in the pipe to keep CS rolling --- are there any plans you can speak to about dual platforms for VC products? Red Giant replied to me yesterday saying my suites will work on both CS and CC.
Still not sold on the cloud...hope Adobe actually 'listens' to their customers and gives us 'options.' I wouldn't mind if they allowed a 'one' version skip and as a download only APP...renting it forever though? C'mon...I already have student loan debt...another bill to pay....ppppllleeeease!?!?!
P.S.: if VC develops a new APP to REPLACE After Effects...I'd be happy to donate/invest :) :) :)
    Nikhil Das
    1 year ago
    Wow, thats a really good one.. I mean, that really counts. :)
Nikhil Das
1 year ago
I hrd like adobe is going to kill CS and gonna hold on to Creative Cloud.. So how is this thing gonna work out?? I mean, this C4D integrations and all the plugins??
I dnt know about every one, bt if that happends, I will either gonna hold on to the older versioins, or will jst change software..
mike
2 years ago
clearly, maxon just wanted to say "we can do what element does too!" the thing is though, it just does not make sense, theres a post production pipeline for a reason, ive seen cineware in action and it runs sooo slow, try throwing some vfx in the scene and your done, they keep talking about "if youve got a client around, you can fix things on the fly" that is just not realistic at all, i love cinea 4d, but i also love it all rendered out before i get into after effects so i can go nots and be creative with it. if you have to wait forever to process the next frame, i find that really hard to be creative. with element 3d, its just pure genius, its a tool that does exactly what it says it does, and its fast, fast enough to keep up with your creative mind. sure.. i'll test it out when it launches, but i really do not see this taking off, i really dont.
Tanveer sayyad
2 years ago
Hi i am Tanveer Sayyad i am from India first of all congrats for baby girl i just want to say is you are the best at your work and best of luck for your new success story thanks plz reply if you see this at my mail thanks again
Chris Pettit
2 years ago
Sorry guys. I've purchased a WHOLE bunch of VCP products, but it seems like you are going to have to weigh in on this whole Adobe CC subscription ONLY mess. It has HUGE implications for everyone in this business, including people like myself who buy your products.
Jer
2 years ago
Andrew,
I no you can't commit to anything - but I assume you will be carefully watching your fanbase and making sure future plugins work with CS6 - because It looks like Adobe is going to screw many of us who can't afford a monthly subscription for life...
Greywolfone
2 years ago
For Andrew:
I already have Maxon Cinema R14. I also have the Element software. I have Adobe Master Collection CS6 as well. I know that the Adobe Cloud apparently has the After Effect/Maxon integration. Do you know when After Effects 12 will be released???
Joe
2 years ago
This is great but ADOBE is WEAK for the new releases require you to subscribe for a full yr vs buying the package and owning it.

This leap has woken the greedy people of ADOBE.

I hope like window vista, no one will upgrade when windows attempt to do something like this with their OS content.
amirreza
2 years ago
Hi Andrew., I'm Amir from Iran. Was wondering what the the adobe creative cloud?
Monthly subscriptions will need to use the after effect cc?
2 years ago
hi andrew,
its good that your working hard to make adobe after effect be a next lavel tool for CG, and full independent program, we can see your effort and for reel we appriciate your work brother, i was reading the previous posts in this session and i found some ideas related to mine, its about 3D max users, how about 3d max lite. i think it will be a good idea to have 3dmax lite in the new next level after effects... out.
    Nikhil Das
    1 year ago
    Yaa.. 3ds Max integration will be super cool..
That's great to see that you made the shadow working here, Good work Keep it up.
Jack
2 years ago
Ah this looks good, but i'm not very good with c4d, If element was able to do physics simulations and fracturing I Think you would win over c4d. Even if it was an extension that cost extra money.It would be awesome !!
Also I'm looking forward to the aircraft 3d model pack ;)
shorey
2 years ago
when this is avilable cineware for AE
abhay sharma
2 years ago
I know one thing Element is a product of genius and no matter what happens Andrew Kramer always be one step ahead. GPU computing is the future!!!
Vlad
2 years ago
Kinda with they would have used Max instead of c4d to be honest.
Blake
2 years ago
That video sucks. Just a bunch of fx with no cohesion or story. Nice free advertising though.
2 years ago
Awesome job on the shadows for v2 Andrew. Just incredible what element does for my workflow.
Fan
2 years ago
But I cannot use Camera 4D......
Nicola
2 years ago
Wow!! Cinema 4D Lite and AfterEffects together! Really amazing!
Sorry for my english
Avaneesh
2 years ago
hi Andrew
We were given a topic of treasure box,
So I just made this video using element 3d n much of ur tutorial…
plzzz chk it…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUJeoqkg8pg
Ben
2 years ago
This really is fantastic news. I have to say this excites me about my purchase of element 3d even more. Now I'll be able to create 3d objects much easier in c4d and then I can use element for the speed. I really think this is going to help element. You know what I would really like to see? An edit 3d object button inside of element that will take a user into c4d so they can make changes to that object as they see fit. Then they could import the changes to a new object that would stay in their library.

Very exciting. With the price of creative cloud at the moment it really is a good time to be editing videos!!
Wispivey
2 years ago
For those of you on the fence, considering the Adobe Creative Cloud monthly subscription, Adobe just announced an NAB special. I am not sure how long it will be available but for a "Limited Time" you can sign up for just 29.99/Month and have access to every creative app they offer.

The link to get the NAB pricing is: https://creativecloud-specialoffer.adobe.com/special-offer/promo.html?promo=TK79MHXC&sdid=KEYJK

This offer is available to EVERYONE and not just previous "boxed" product owners and students/teachers as it was offered before. I just signed up and got the promo pricing with no issues. They also waived the cancellation fees on my old subscription which still had a few months left because I had committed to a new one year agreement at 29.99/month before calling to cancel. This is a great way to stay current without breaking the bank.
    Sharif
    2 years ago
    Totally worth it. I just got on the cloud a few months ago and have not looked back. I got the deal based on owning a previous full CS4 product; but for those that don't it'd be stupid to pass this up!

    Just to add to what you said; you get all the updates and upgrades on all the Creative Suite products totally free with the cloud membership! This means the above added C4D Lite etc... (which I have confirmed) is also included upon release. I still think though that Element 3D is totally worth getting in its own right on top of all this.
2 years ago
I think this is one reason why Kramer is so successful. He isn't threatened by competition - he welcomes it and sees how it could benefit everybody. Keep it up, man! The way you give away your knowledge for free is inspiring.
    Sharif
    2 years ago
    +1 Totally agree!
Alexandru
2 years ago
In my opinion, Adobe is going into the wrong direction. What I've seen in the GorillaGuy's demo, it's ultra-slow even on software on a ultra-simple scene. I fear I'm not gonna use this as I didn't really had any use for their previous built-in 3D raytraced render engine. Speed is essential, at least when you're fine-tuning and no one can afford waiting 2-3 seconds per frame for a simple software render. If I were to work at Adobe, I would try to implement a new "invisible" channel similar to deep images (what nuke already has for images rendered with deep data).

Imagine this:
All classic 3d layers in AE have deep data. Element, particular, etc also provide deep data. You could then get perfect compositing in-between any of these without having to use tricks like world position pass (which would still be useful for some other stuff) or even more complicated approaches like Z-depth (since particular can't really render anything else). Of course, this means some extra-work from plug-in developers and there will be severe compatibility issues, but the benefits would far exceed the implementation of this c4d plug-in.
Megaman
2 years ago
Element3d looks good and it fast...not to mention the mograph elements and with 1.6 update you can add particular...The only thing i can see use cs7 for is to do 3d projection....and if need something is little more high res I will have to render it anyway. Element 3d phenomenal and it only 199 !!!!!!
    Sharif
    2 years ago
    It's actually less than that last time I checked. It's a no brainer.
Dave
2 years ago
For those that are interested, Maxon will be streaming their presentations live from NAB. A couple of them will focus on the new Cineware plugin.
    Sharif
    2 years ago
    LOL you almost sound like you work for Maxon!
Posada
2 years ago
Those shadows look great Andrew!!.I dont know anything about Nuke, but I guess After Effects should first offer a full 3d environment to begin with. I mean infinite viewport depth to place object easily, rotate them, even if they are just 2D planes most of the time.
chillywinter
2 years ago
Can't wait to see some new tutorials using ae7/c4d. Suspect I'll need a 64-bit PC/OS, so better make that my next upgrade.
Joseph
2 years ago
Andrew,
I bought element as soon as it was released, I love and use it as often as I can to speed up my workflow. However, there are many projects where "faked shadows just aren't good enough or I need the element model to be self shadowed, so I have to go back to C4d which is great but I end up rendering twice and have to keep up with multiple scene files etc.

I know you said shadows are coming in V2 but it would be awesome if you could share some details about the kind of shadows we can expect and the technical challenges you face getting shadows into the next version.. along with maybe some teaser images of element with shadows if you have a working beta.. would be great :-)

Thanks

Joseph
    2 years ago
    We have to save some surprises!

    E3D-V2 is under development but will not being released for several months at least. At the moment we are getting ready to release some other plug-ins and model packs that are going to be really cool.

    But... until then here is a tiny sample of our shadow tech:

    http://www.videocopilot.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/shadow_tech.jpg
    2 years ago
    Awesome! The shadows looks great and I can't wait. Too bad I switched to web design. But who doesn't love motion graphics. You should be in the motion graphics history books for all you and VC have done. Thank you for everything Andrew and VC.
    2 years ago
    looks too good...
    James
    2 years ago
    you got the shadows working!!! wow...looks really great man.
    2 years ago
    I can't believe you posted this in a comment and not in a separated post ! This is crazyyyyyyyy! WELL DONE VC! E3DV2 I <3
    jo
    2 years ago
    hi Andrew,
    Let's summarize to see if I get everything from what you said here and there:
    At vc you are working on:
    - a vehicle pack for element 3d and maybe another or several yet unknown pack(s);
    - "some other plugins" which will obviously include Optical flare v2 since you already announced it (http://www.videocopilot.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/OF_V2.jpg) and I remember you talking a while ago about 3 plugins you were developping the first one was atom which became later Element 3d and I remember one mysteriously appearing in one of your tutorial named if i remember well "Dragon"...
    -Element v2 which will include:
    *Shadows as you shown on this page
    *Automatic import of textures including new image format support
    *A cache system for instancing element 3d layers

    Am i wrong somewhere? Will you do any announcement during NAB (which would be surprising knowing that element v1,6 is only a few weeks old...)?

    Dave
    2 years ago
    Good to hear that shadows are coming soon. I know nothing is free...what kind of performance hit should we expect? Will a higher end graphics card be required? Also hard shadows are nice but will there also be soft shadows?
    megaman
    2 years ago
    just when i think element 3d can't get any better you bring e3dv2 awesome
    My guess is one of these new plugins will be an advanced an handy 'camera shake' plugin. I've seen it mentioned a few times over the last 2 years. Can't wait, hope it's true.
2 years ago
Is there by any chance possible to get a better control of light (mainly point light) falloff possibilities in the next version of element?
Now there is only a falloff slider for the whole scene, and it makes it difficult to tweak lighting to perfection. =)
    Steve Green
    2 years ago
    Seconded - it would be great to have individual control of light falloff.

    The shadow sneak peek below looks great!
2 years ago
I'm a hands-on documentarian and unscripted TV producer. I own both C4D and E3D, and can tell you from experience I'd rather spend more time in Element. It renders faster, looks better with less time investment, and Andrew's model packs are terrific...a whole pack of models for the cost of a single model at many 3d sites. There's plenty of room for both C4D and E3D, and given the choice between the two inside AE, I would choose Element 80% of the time.
Best,
Biagio
    Sharif
    2 years ago
    This is a good comment since I'm planning on picking up E3D soon. One of my computers has a supported GPU so I should be all set. Thanks for your quick review.
Gregor
2 years ago
Hahahahaha
I can't stop laughing.
I just get Your metaphor Andrew. Big, heavy and slow military truck, compared to Your jets and missiles.
Nice one :)
Ben
2 years ago
Andrew, I think you can be proud of this procedure. You have set the milestone.
ena
2 years ago
Once element incorporates shadows, it will have no competition. The speed/feature set is unparalleled.
    Dave
    2 years ago
    Relax...the speed is unparralled but the feature set still has a ways to go. Hopefully one day it will come close.
    2 years ago
    Shadow will be in V2..
    http://www.videocopilot.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/shadow_tech.jpg

    And it cannot compared to That cineware plugin that coming on New AE. Cuae i used it.. It slow things down.. Even if it create text and bring it to Cineware and move camera for animation it way too slow compare to E3D. E3D is fastest OPENGL render engline compare to anything..
2 years ago
Andrew !!!! Can you post a detailed chat of what is difference of
E3D and C4D (new update in AE7)
SO THAT WE COULD COMPAIRE :))
    2 years ago
    Sure thing! I will try to after my trip to NAB.

    Basically Cineware improves the workflow between C4D & AE by allowing the 2 programs to communicate as well as interchange cameras and lights.

    The Cineware plug-in is a link to the C4D Render engine but it doesn't actually speed up the rendering from Cinema 4D. Instead it saves you time of re-importing renders when you make changes.

    So it is a Live link but not necessarily fast since you still have to wait for each frame to render before it will update in AE.

    This is basically the reason we created Element 3D to begin, a FAST interactive render engine that uses OpenGL and not raytracing.

    Notice that if you move around with Element 3D, the changes appear instantly, and you can animate the objects directly inside of AE which is nice.

    C4D uses raytrace rendering so quality is very good but it is much slower than the Element 3D's openGL render engine. Sometimes quality is most important and then sometimes Speed is the key.

    I think the best part about the new update is getting a free lite version of C4D.! This can be used to create and edit 3D models for Cineware and even import into Element 3D too!
    2 years ago
    Hi Andrew,

    thank you for your quick and helpful explanation. It helps to ease some folk's confusion ;-)

    Matthias
    2 years ago
    Hi. Andrew I JUST used it on 6.5 this evening.
    I felt Cineware takes times like most 3D program (In render with all those model and stuff ) And it really take time to even make a 3D text compare to Elemnt 3D and animate it inside AE . I thought they made the plugin faster But NO!!. as you said it takes everyframe to render .. Yes that is true. It'll need More core of processer to fast things up !! I HAVE HEXA CORE PROCESSER AND ITS still slow.
    If we compare both then The biggest comparision is the time saver plugin is E3D.
    And we have Max and Maya to model texture and we can do pretty good lighting stuff inE3D much better ways . We knw blender and Cinema 4d a quite a bit too.
    Now you annouced E3D V2 has shadows. Probably dont need anythign else. Yeah raytrace option.. That should be handy but thing will slow down too with it. I dont knwo raytrace will be in V2 ot not but i hoper it will still faster than Cineware as it is for now. Thats the big deal.
    Yes totally agreed. And if we would really need real reflection and quality we would animate THOSE in 3D program. We wouldnt use Elemnt 3D for it :) HAHA So belive me most of people want your OPEN GL speed PLUGIN. As you said in your recent tutorial or blog video - I still remmeber !! And its true "NOONE HAS TIME".:)
    AND YES!! THANKS FOR THE REPLY ANDREW :]
    Sharif
    2 years ago
    +1 to Andrew's comment here... I feel exactly the same way.
2 years ago
This is so bad. I really wanted that Adobe would buy Element 3D to be their official plugin from next version of Afterefffct. But they stole AK's creativity and made contract with maxon. Dang. I really dont like it.
Adobe could sign contract with VCP for Element 3D.
Ben Jones
2 years ago
element is more useful, but this will make it easier to bring in cameras an models into ae. saw it demoed on greyscale gorilla and it suffers from major speed issue, just like the other ae ray tracing features from cs6.
good to have options though :)
Roto rush updates will be very handy too!
Norman
2 years ago
Well, I got to say... Congratulations Andrew!, you just made Adobe trying to copy some of the functionality of Element 3D and still ending being the best option for 3D rendering inside AE.

No question, what Adobe is doing will benefit the AE community in the end, but this goes to show the high level of quality of your products: No matter how big the other companies are, no other offer comes close to what your product does.

I'm eager to see what Element 3D v.2 is going to be capable of!
    Sharif
    2 years ago
    +1 to this!
Stephane St-Louis
2 years ago
This is great news. Element 3D is an amazing plugin for extremely fast on-the-fly full feature rendering. But it is not a 3D design application and never was meant to be. In my search for a 3D design application, I was wondering if I should go for 3DS Max, Cinema 4D, Blender or whatever... But providing that After Effects *AND* Element 3D will now be so tightly integrated with each other, the decision to go with Cinema 4D is a no brainer.

At this stage, for me, Element 3D remains my preferred 3D render engine. In the event I would really need Cinema 4D to render a final scene in full featured Ray Tracing, I'd probably still go with Element 3D during most of the work process because it's so fast and provides such a fluid workflow.
    Sharif
    2 years ago
    It really depends what you want to do. All the different 3D packages have their strengths and weaknesses. They all also have different levels of interoperability with different software. For instance you can pretty much do a little bit of everything with blender (and then some when considering scripts) but it is not the best UI and neither is it the most consistent build since the whole thing is made up of python and each update is a python script on top of other python scripts. It's an excellent general tool but has its disadvantages.

    Regardless of the fact that it's commercial, C4D is not without its faults... if you ever want to do character animation and so on; it is known to struggle in this field. Although it has an awesome hair system, this can only be accessed in the most expensive version, so it seems like a lot for that one feature (though of course if you use the many other features it's also good).

    I think the best bang for the buck pro level 3D software out there is Lightwave, but I also hear its UI is not so good.

    A lot of people love Maya but I feel like you have to be attached to the documentation to actually use it since it's so spread out. It's like the commercial version of Blender but more complete.

    3DSMax is good out of the box, but you'll probably be using a lot of plugins to do what you want; also it is only Windows.

    I heard Softimage is good for character animation; but I didn't find it that easy to use right off the bat; but it's still highly recommended.

    Then there are the cheaper commercial software like Carrara and Poser, etc... They each have their specific pros as well; if you're clever, you can get away with using them; but you have to be very careful or it will be obvious!

    I'm just saying all this to point out it really depends what you're doing; I think for mainly motion graphics C4D is really the best choice if you can afford it; otherwise, there are a ton of options, some better and cheaper depending on the case; you just have to really look into it and not be complacent.

    Element 3D supports OBJs which you can get from 99% of 3D software; so you're not stuck with C4D. If you want to do something besides motion graphics; you might consider one of the other 3D software packages.
2 years ago
Hey Andrew, I'm surprised that adobe didn't want to put element 3d in AE.. maybe if this cinema 4d is a fail maybe you should put your foot in the door and get a good offer. I have told so many people about your product and it has even helped me out to get an internship... In one sentence... I love you (no homo), and thank you for going outside the box!
2 years ago
in new feature of element 3d will store physics?? i think no its will full used ram in ae :(
2 years ago
Hi Andrew,
Are you going to release a "vehicle pack" for element?
'cause I think cars, trucks, airplanes could be really useful for everybody here ;-)
Paul
2 years ago
For For Element 3d.The new After Effects did pose a threat to it.So it's better for element 3d to supoort max file and bring the texture and particles in automatically.We
are earger to see that,because up to now ,it's still difficult to import a multi-texutured model into element 3d(or it do cost lots of time).
Hope Element 3d v2.0 can achive those features. Good luck,Dude.
Bob K
2 years ago
I like where Adobe and Maxon are going with this integration ....I use both C4D Studio and After Effects today.
But for much of the work I'm doing, ELEMENT 3D is the fastest, best quality alternative to a superb output after building my 3D objects in C4D.
In time, maybe that'll change.
But I don't see it in the near term.
2 years ago
I have been using After Effects CS7 Beta for a few days now and unfortunately the CIneware feature is fairly slow. I have a top of the line machine and I find myself becoming frustrated just trying to change the camera position. I also don't understand the Element vs Cineware debate, they do completely deferent things. That being said there are a load of terrific new features in CS7.
2 years ago
The Million Dollar Question: How fast are the render times? Element is so tough to beat when it comes to fast, quality renders.

I use Element everyday, because everything needs to be done yesterday.
2 years ago
Whoa! This is some crazy news! Thanks for sharing Andrew!
Hamza
2 years ago
Why C4D Why not 3ds max ??!
    Dave
    2 years ago
    Because Adobe and Maxon have a partnership not Adobe and Autodesk.
Erel Herzog
2 years ago
Hey Andrew! Will we be able to extrude using animated Alpha and Luma mattes in v2.0? How about variable feather as bevel/smoothness amount?
Mike
2 years ago
Oh, great! Just spend a ton of money on AE 5.5 little over a year ago. I'm jealous of all the guys who waited for AE 6 and now I'll be even more jealous of all the "rich kids" who will get the new awesome sounding AE. :-(
Thank you Andrew, and your team, for providing such a powerful and affordable tool like Element 3D. For someone like me, who just dabbles around in AE to entertain himself, your products provide a creative outlet without having to mortgage the house. Trying to learn a 3D program hurts my brain and Element 3D solved that problem for me.
All I know about working with AE came solely from following your tutorials. Thanks to your time and dedication, I now have the ability to "muddle though" my own special effects and add 3D objects into my projects.
    Jeremy
    2 years ago
    Have you thought about the Creative Cloud monthly subscription? Its $30 a month. In a year you'll spend less than what ALL the Adobe programs cost. I did it and it is very much worth it.
    Mike
    2 years ago
    Thank you for the advice, Jeremy. Yes, I've looked into the Creative Cloud and it is a great deal, but I don't use AE enough to warrant the subscription at this time. I got a good deal on the Adobe creative suite because my little brother is a film/broadcast student. Version 5.5 will do me for the time being. ;-)
Lakekover
2 years ago
Wow, this is sounding really exciting
2 years ago
Wow !! that is really awesome !! I don't like to learn 3D program Just with AE + E3D I am doing my full work of 3D Thanks Andrew
    Kai
    2 years ago
    Some comfort for VC and Element3D: The simple text layer that GSG is using for the demo is pretty laggy and Nick is using a 12 core cpu with a huge graphics card. I can't imagine a really complex scene plus a dozen layers of compositing. Element 3d has the funfamental speed advantage of using OpenGL.
    Roy
    2 years ago
    It basically comes down to speed vs quality and features. Sometimes you'll need quick and dirty and other times you'll need high quality.
    Redo
    2 years ago
    Cineware calculations are slower than I imagined. The integration looks compact and stable though. On the other hand how Element works is truly different, noticed it right away watching Nick's Demos.
    James
    2 years ago
    WAAAAY too slow...
2 years ago
I'm particularly interested in some of the other features like motion tracking and the rotobrush.
Roy
2 years ago
A lot of people seem to be confused as to what you can do with C4Dlite. Think of it as a full 3D app which it is but with some limitations. In other words you'll be able to do some modeling with primitives, or splines which are really powerful in c4d by the way. You'll be able to animate your models. You'll be able to texture your models. You'll be able to light your models. Hopefully you get the point now. Can you do dynamics, scuplting, use mograph with the C4Dlite version? No? Why? Because if those features were included for free, not many people would buy the higher end version of C4D. In other words Maxon can 't just give away the house completey. What you do get though are tons of things that in the past you would have to pay for. Hopefully that clears up things a bit.
    2 years ago
    Cinema 4D can only export a sequence to Aftereffects according to the Lynda video. I can that with Blender for free. My Cinema 4D import to after effects will only be a 2D video file. With Element I can import the model itself. I think Andrew is so excited about this because it doesnt break Element 3D at all. So, I can just keep learning Blender and Element 3D and not even worry about AE CS7 or Cinema in the least. Back to things as usual for me.
    Kyle
    2 years ago
    RickAllenMedia,

    What you're saying is completely untrue. The link between Cinema and AE7 updates automatically. When you make something in Cinema, it's already in AE7. I'm talking actual 3D geometry. Watch the demo videos on www.greyscalegorilla.net and www.motionworks.com.au and you'll fully understand how powerful this is.
    2 years ago
    After effects isnt doing crap with this Cinema file. That is why you are getting Cinema 4D lite. If I want to move this model around I have to do it in Cinema not after effects. All animations for this file still have to be done in Cinema 4D, not after effects. With Element 3D I can actually do it in after effects. All I am getting from Cinema 4D is a sequence a movie sequence. Have you not looked at the videos closely? The Cinema file is not being animated in after effects. All movements are being done in Cinema, not after effects. So I can move the camera around. Wow. I can do that now with Element 3d, and move the model as well, In After Effects, not going back to a 3D program! So yes, the video on Lynda is right, your cinema import to after effects will be a video sequence. You will not be able to do anything with your model in after effects. I have not seen anyone in any of these videos about this actually using after effects to do anything other than move the camera around. I can use blender to do all of this and then some. I can use element and blender to do even more.
    Roy
    2 years ago
    Yes Rick, true you are correct but I think you're missing the point. Why reinvent the wheel when you are already have a 3D app that has all those capabilities. You get the best of both worlds here by using a powerful 3D app but still keep a live link to make changes without having to rerender everything, that's the whole point. And sure you can use Blender but that doesn't have a live link to AE does it?
    2 years ago
    Well Cinema Asd people said (@RIck) It can export obj sequence.. Its helpfull. But i dont need it cause i know MAX AND MAYA I have plugin under that software that export obj sequences. And new ae have some Roto new feature as well as some ther fixes. But It doesnt matter. I can do roto and stuff in AE 6 too. and im good at it. Itwould worth buying a good graphics card instead of Upgrading cinema 4D cause i have already Elemnt 3D. and v2 is coming soon.
ZakofallTrades
2 years ago
Will CD4 lite in After Effects be nearly as fast as Element 3D, though?
2 years ago
I'm gonna say that Element 3D is surely for something into that work, you know what i mean...
Dlefebvre
2 years ago
On Lynda.com there is an preview of After Effects new features. It also explains a little more the integration with Cinema 4D and give some details on Cinema 4D lite.

http://www.lynda.com/After-Effects-tutorials/After-Effects-Technology-Preview/124400-2.html
2 years ago
decrease the price of 3D element?
Farshad
2 years ago
wooooooow
AE + C4D , it's Amazing
    2 years ago
    Hi farshad! plz send me your email, thx
Ingo Smitt
2 years ago
Hum ...
1st of April is already over.

Is it true ?
George
2 years ago
Will this override Cineware or will it enhance the flow?
Pilot
2 years ago
Wonderful !!!
But I still waited vehicles pack
any news about it ????
2 years ago
They're advertising it as FAST rendering and such and I see that it will render genuine shadows which is nice. I do wonder however, how fast can it possibly be with real shadows compared to Element which uses ambient occluded shadows.

i suppose only time will tell
2 years ago
I don't see why you’re so excited. You are the one who put 3D inside of After Effects. Instead of helping you, I see Adobe trying to cut you out of it. Honestly, since I have Element 3D and Blender, I don’t need AECS7 or Cinema Lite. I see this as Adobe stabbing you in the back and trying to cut you out of it. And as usual, Adobe will not make it work right and I will be using Blender and Element 3D anyway. I don’t know squat when it comes to you guys about all of this and I apologize if I am way off base here. However if all AE7 has is this new collaboration then I could certainly use an extra 2grand on other things like extra lights, another few lenses, stock footage, music files, etc. I don’t see where I am really getting anything over AE CS5 and Element 3D and Blender. I predict that AECS7 sales are going to be a flop. But what do I know. Please help me understand why this is such a great thing over what I use now.
    2 years ago
    Rick,

    I am hearing great things about a new way for roto-scoping, that alone might be worth the upgrade to CS7. It seems like you don't have to stop using your method for 3D in AE. The new stuff appears to be an optional thing.
    2 years ago
    Call me crazy, but I think its time that Andrew and VC call Red Giant (who is also getting screwed by this) and every pal in the industry that he has and start making their own motion graphics software program. I think its time Adobe had some real competition. Andrew, start putting out stock footage and graphics packages for some extra cash and build an fx house for small businesses like the great artists used to do. Let this be your money maker while you get backing and support for a new motion graphics program. See how Adobe likes being cut out of things for once.
    Roy
    2 years ago
    Rick, don't take it too personal. We all compete on a certain level, that's the world we live in.
    2 years ago
    @Rick

    1) Was there a massive difference from CS5 over CS4? No, the difference was probably less than from CS6 to CS6.5 or whatever it;ll be called... and they've had no problem in shifting copies of CS5/CS5.5/CS6

    2) I'm guessing that CS7 (or CS6.5 more likely) will not cost '2 grand'. I can;t see the pricing structure change that much and even if it does, you'll be shelling out a hell of a lot less than that for an upgrade.

    3) Do your Blender models (created in Blender and imported to AE via Element) have shadows and ray traced reflections? No. Then this is an improvement in the current workflow/performance.

    4) Think of the people who haven;t bought Element. They are now going to get performance that, although different from Element, does pretty much the same thing... without having to pay $150. Surely that's got to be worth something.

    6) As for 'Adobe stabbing you in the back'... you're way off base here. It's just Adobe taking advantage of technological developments and trying to deliver what people want/need, as Andrew also did. Sure, he was a year ahead of the curve, but this was going to come along sooner or later. For Adobe not to take advantage of such things would be like some company not freezing their food products just becuase some other food company started freezing their food products first. "Yes, our meats may reach you green and bloated and riddled with lifeforms, but we didn't stab anyone in the back! We decided to forgo progress just so we didn't step on anyone's toes."

    I'm sorry Rick, but you do seem to be considerably wrong on all your reasoning and/or opinions.

    Cheers!

    Scott
    2 years ago
    Oh and just one more thing while I'm on... there's that company that have been doing 3D kind of stuff in AE for a while now. I can't remember the name, but you've got real 3D text and all that kind of jazz. It's on the tip of my tongue. Pretty well known.

    Did Andrew stab them in the back? Or was it a case of taking the existing technology, playing with it, tweaking it, trying to add in new features that people want and/or need with what's currently achievable etc etc?

    Scott
    Alex
    2 years ago
    Well, VC worked and still works to the benefit of Adobe and its products, not against it, so yes, you could call it a stab in the back. It's like hitting your little brother who helped you get up by stealing some of his ideas. Between VC and Zaxwerks there is competition, between VC and Adobe it shouldn't .. it should be an alliance. I'm pretty sure VC is the biggest AE promoter out there and Adobe should respect that.
    Nevertheless, this implementation looks crappy and slow, I think it'll prove yet another flop, just like their "ultra kewl" raytraced renderer for beveled paths and texts proved to be in cs6.
    And one more thing .. you can't expect me to believe you're in severe need of ray-tracing in AE for doing motion graphics or compositing but you don't already work and own a 3d package. It'll be cool for some guys to experiment the world of 3d, it might prove a smart marketing move for maxon, but I doubt anyone would use it as a standard feature on a daily basis UNLESS they manage to optimize it and make it WAY faster.
    BlurryPuzzle VFX
    2 years ago
    @RickAllenMedia TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU MAN !!!
    I didnt liek when i heard they not taking andrews E3D cause it is the firstone and they stole his idea lot of people know it including me. I aint gonna upgrade AE7 for that price too indtead of buying other stock footages and other plugin from VCP and other sites would be better than upgrade to AE7 for Cinema4d Lite.
    2 years ago
    YEAH ADAOBE BACK STABBED ANDREW. And i didnt like that anyway. They could buy Element3D instead of their deal with Maxon. Cause I am damn sure than Cinema 4D is gonna make slower render Cause i know i used it. Nomatter the relaistic output it give with caustic and real reflection & shdows as a 3D programme but all need the quicker real time output.. That aint gonna give Cinema 4D . By the way Andrew said .. in v2 its gonna be add of real shadow and lot of new feauture. Its probably realastic reflection giving now too... So people !! Beter you use Element instead of waste your time and money on cinema 4D lite to upgrade AE.. in my opinion. You could probably save that money for buying newer highend graphics card and some stock footage and plugin from VCP and other sites even optical flare V2 as andrew said its coming end of this year. So Think.
    Sharif
    2 years ago
    I'm surprised how few people are taking advantage of Adobe's Creative Cloud. You get all the Adobe software with the subscription plus all the updates and the upgrades for free! Plus the subscription is cheaper if you own any full CS3 or higher software already. If you took advantage of this there is no "shell out such and such amount of money" issue. You would get it for free!

    Although of course it does seem like Adobe is not paying Andrew due respect; they are a big company and he's a small company; if anything they are probably embarrassed by the whole thing, and them getting to it and finally adding real 3D implementation was probably motivated by him. They say "mockery is the best form of flattery" so them getting onto adding better 3D implementation is basically flattering Andrew and his VC team, it's as if they are being directed by Andrew himself!

    One more thing, the whole concept that implementing 3D into After Effects is a totally original idea by Andrew is ridiculous... I'm sure anyone who ever touched AE and knew anything about CG would have thought about this idea; it's not a super original concept or anything; it's just awesome that the folks at Video Co-pilot executed it so well and so early!
    Jonathan Scott
    2 years ago
    Adobe know exactly what they're doing and the updates will appear on their Creative Cloud mega-product anyway so there's absolutely no need for your "2 grand" worries. Cinema 4D is - by far - the first choice for broadcast motion graphics. This - in conjunction with After Effects creates a fairly formidable combination. I'd be interested to hear if either Adobe or Maxon had been in contact with Andrew because there's little doubt he lit the touch-paper with Element. You could of course say that once Form & Plexus arrived it was only a matter of time before someone else raised the 2D/3D/integration bar. Andrew may well have implemented the first workable and genuinely impressive option but VCP isn't Adobe or indeed Maxon. The multiple cries about Max files should be aimed at Autodesk and NOT Adobe or Andrew. That's a far bigger question that should be answered by the software authors. Google the words: "how do i open 3DS Max files...." and make sure you've a few hours free before you do...

    Videocopilot's been around for a long time now and any dent in Element 3D will not herald its' demise.

    If i was Andrew i'd be well pissed off but if his past efforts are anything to go by then it's only a matter of time before he presents another high class product that we'll all wet ourselves waiting for...

    @RickAllenMedia (messages above & below) you're clearly in the wrong business or the wrong century...or both. Think about what you're saying before saying it so very publicly.
    2 years ago
    Jonathan Scott, you clearly don't know much about business or this century then. You certainly don't know anything about my business, so, why don't you just mind your own.
grv
2 years ago
great. But I would have preferred that Adobe might give even greater support for Blender import and other format from main 3d software world. In this way the risk is too maximize only a part of the community of users of 3D softwares. Ok. Cinema 4d is the best for the broadcast and motion design.... I do not agree but I adapt... i'll not a mention about the bugs that will be present into the first release
Daluz
2 years ago
Just saw some "demonstrations" of Cineware at "Greys Gorilla", and my opinion is that is gonna be great to have this option, altough, its really slow and the Lite C4D, can only render at 800x600. But what really piss me of, is seeing the guys at Maxon site, and...others... pretending they never heard about ELEMENT 3D.
    Roy
    2 years ago
    800x600 is only a limitation if you render outside of AE. Within AE you'll be able to render at higher resolutions.
    Sharif
    2 years ago
    @Daluz Think about it...if they decided to mention VCP, they probably wouldn't have made their own update and instead would have invested and worked with Andrew... they probably feel a superiority complex since Andrew is doing something better than them! It's not a bad thing though, this means it's high integrity coming from VCP. If Adobe or Maxon invested in Andrew they would probably also try to call the shots at least to a degree, which may not be as good for E3D. Anyone who looks up quality tutorials will find VCP and so will eventually learn of E3D. There is no loss to the customer, so it's not like "Oh crap I bought the C4D integration before buying E3D!" because the next AE's C4D integration comes free and E3D requires AE in the first place.
BortaMaga
2 years ago
But Andrew, can we still animate the Cinema 4D model?
2 years ago
amazing lite project , thanks for put this plug-ins , put i used after effect cs4 , is it work on it ?
Jonathan
2 years ago
As fast as VCP is able to release updates and new features, I doubt there is any threat to Element 3D. It's a small innovative company, and big business like Adobe can never keep pace. At worst they'll just buy it out.
Aung Ko
2 years ago
So we can hope to watch a tutorial of face replacement with fracture texture vfx on Andrew site. This is good news for me who lazy to learn for Nuke.
2 years ago
Just wondering, would there be a way to import a whole scene intact to Element and After effects from C4D like camera movements.. I like to animate my meshes in C4D and it would be cool to import the whole scene in after effects with the animations I already made and combined with the render power of Element.. Also, you guys might want to check on Cryengine, UDK, and Unity.. those game engines have cool shadows integrated with them and is working realtime.. GO TEAM VIDEOCOPILOT!
carlos
2 years ago
I just expect that 3d will work with ATI graphic cards
2 years ago
but 3ds max cool for for ...for....for :(
2 years ago
Great great news!
I know you guys will find a way to merge this two features!

Actually, E3D gives you more editing control of your model, it seems C4DLite is much more prepared for exchanging information between both softwares, like - Bridge -
Maybe you can work with both and have the full control over the C4D files inside AE without going back and forth with C4D.
any plans?

Thanks Andrew!
    Dan
    2 years ago
    You have it the other way around. C4d is a true 3d app that has been developed for years. It has many more options for editing your models.
Felix
2 years ago
To me it says just one thing: Andrew is ahead of the game. What I would like to see in Element 3D: a more sophisticated particle system (I like the node-style like in 3Dmax).
Redo
2 years ago
This will be a challenge for Element 3D but I'm sure the v2.0 will be equally awesome or even better. I anticipate more clever & fast solutions on the Element 3D side which I also prefer. Element even adapts to this integration.
All this stuff will be interesting to follow.
    Jason
    2 years ago
    Sadly adobe is making it harder for me to want to stick with them.. No longer allowing upgrades and having you sign up for their creative cloud, which will essentially cost me much more. I hope you guys keep up the good work, making it possible for some of us to keep up and still be able to own our software.
2 years ago
Wait wait wait! Which version of After Effects are we talking about? CS 6.5? CS 7?
    Sharif
    2 years ago
    Nobody knows... all we hear from Adobe is an ambiguous "next version" which could mean anything; CS6.2, CS6.5, CS7... but it will most likely be CS6.5.
2 years ago
That's what I love about the VC plugins, always 5 steps ahead of AE and other plugins.
    Sharif
    2 years ago
    +1 on this. I was amazed when I first found out of E3D!
2 years ago
When this product will be avaiable?
IMRAN KHAN
2 years ago
Thanks For the Great News Andrew.
What is The Insane Roto-scoping tool.
    Tobi
    2 years ago
    Answer = Tutorial on mamoworld.com
Jay
2 years ago
Hej Andrew. I was about to buy a new graphics card for my Mac Pro. Do you know what the new minimums will be? Maybe I should wait a while until I get my new card, it does struggle a bit, but better wait to know what to get than have to buy another in a few months. Thanks
2 years ago
Yes .. I'm agree with Rwanlink, what is the matter with 3dsmax?, anyways element3d make this for me, and it works so well, I suposse this feature 'Element 3D will bring in textures automatically with additional image formats too' is enable for obj imports from max !! Thanks Andrew ..
2 years ago
Is it just me or is anyone else thinking this... I just bought CS6 Production Premium less than a year ago, and already Adobe wants me to pay even more for these features? Seriously, this should not be a paid upgrade this soon in the game. These are great features, don't get me wrong, but make it an affordable or free upgrade for those who had to practically take a mortgage on the house to buy CS6 already!
    Luis Martin
    2 years ago
    Good point dude! But unfortunatelly all this programs brings upgrades every year, it is like a race against time, I've been studying Autodesk Maya 2012 for more than a year and now I noticed that the 2013 version is out, but I'm not planning to buy it yet, you have to wait for all the bugs gets solutions.
    Sharif
    2 years ago
    That's why I find services like Adobe Creative Cloud the way of the future. I think companies like Autodesk and Maxon should catch up. Right now Autodesk includes a cloud service, but it doesn't include software like Adobe does, so it's not quite there yet. With Creative Cloud I'll get these updates for free as long as I'm a subscriber.
Rwanlink
2 years ago
WHAT ABOUT 3DS MAAAAAAX ???!!! :(
2 years ago
way to take the high road buddy, this is why everyone (except your students) will always be a step behind and won't know why. #SeriouslyImpressed #trustYourInstincts
    Sharif
    2 years ago
    +1 on this, Andrew definitely has the right mentality on this!
mat
2 years ago
i have seen a video of cineware,it looks incredibly slow. like the 3d implemented in cs6.

the only 3d that makes sense inside ae at the moment is element 3d because it uses open gl.
Zedul
2 years ago
The rise of Element 3D!!!
TinyBear
2 years ago
You know first April is over, right?
2 years ago
can't wait
What about people like me who have just subscribed to Creative Cloud CS6, all updates are suposed to be free,
will new AE be out within the year or not? I hope they won't change the subscription pricing. Is it supposed to be AE CS7? or C6.5?
    Sean
    2 years ago
    If you are on Creative Cloud then you will get a free upgrade as soon as the new version is available. Based on past history, the new version will probably be out in the next month or two and will likely be called CS6.5.
2 years ago
jin choung

Cinema 4D isn't just an importer, you are able to work on the fly, as in AE as in C4d - means, if you're still working on your Model, you can already import it to AE, it will be updated bei cineware - it's also possible to directly render the objekt into AE a.s.o.
    jin choung
    2 years ago
    that might be true if you already have a c4d version that's not lite but what kind of work can you do on your model if there's no modeling?
Pete
2 years ago
Will we be able to fracture 3D objects in C4D Lite, and bring them over to Element 3D?
    2 years ago
    I'm not sure of the exact fracture capabilities of the lite version but anything you create in the LITE version can be saved and imported into Element 3D. This is actually something we are excited about for people that need to disconnect parts of their model or edit mesh.
    Roy
    2 years ago
    Yes you can fracture objects. Nick from GSG has a video on that.
    Peter
    2 years ago
    https://vimeo.com/63362429 6:00 I guess this is the fracture tool you are referring to Roy?
    2 years ago
    The "Fracture Object" in Cinema 4D is different than fracturing an object. In this case Nick is using it to separate the text splines in order to effect them individually.
    2 years ago
    I could be wrong but I always assumed Mr Kramer did all his fracturing with the excellent Rayfire tool for 3dsMax.
2 years ago
indeed great news,
the way i see it, Element 3D was revolutionary when released. it cast shadow on the built in 3d functionality inside after effect CS6. (nothing to compare with). so they had to respond, and they did.
honestly, i was pretty sure Adobe will buy element3d.
cheekylilbasterd
2 years ago
Great Co-pilots!!!
Mograph and AfterEffects in the Same Cockpit
Now dat will be nice
In the mean time you cant touch my nulls
my Element 3d nulls
god I love it
Jovica
2 years ago
My mistake, transparency* :S
cheekylilbasterd
2 years ago
Well
A lite just lit above my empty head
So no polygon modelling or physics engine
Which means , a full version with all the goodies soon after.
Well , its really great
But I'm still making nulls and I'm loving it
Jovica
2 years ago
Hey Andrew please add Opacity with image like inside Cinema 4D. You know add a texture and then start adding opacity. Sorry for my English. :) Thanks! This will be good for everyone. I really need it! :D Hehe.
    2 years ago
    We are trying to make this work but it requires a later version of Open GL and newer GPU's. It may have to be a feature for newer cards only.
cheekylilbasterd
2 years ago
I dont feel a thing.
Something about the word Lite
Feels so retro
I dont know
maybe,
i guess so,
okay
2 years ago
YES! YES! YES! how amazing! AE + Cinema + Elements = L.♥.V.E.
This year will be great. Looking forward to new possibilities and thank you for the great work Andrew!
Dumie
2 years ago
this is super cool m loving it all the way
Maxime
2 years ago
What's fun is, you launch the "3D In AE's war" Andrew Kramer !
Doesn't adobe try to work with you on it ? Or Buy your Element 3D to integrate it in next AE's version ?
    Sharif
    2 years ago
    It probably wouldn't be as good if Adobe bought it.
Dan
2 years ago
There's a LOT missing from the Lite version of C4D, such as Cloner objects, MoText, Tracer object, Matrix object, a lot of shaders, Particles, Global Illumination, Ambient Occlusion, Physical Sky, and many other things.

Ok for a free program, but so is Blender.
If people are planning on doing some serious Motion Graphics, I'd recommend at LEAST the Broadcast edition of C4D R14
2 years ago
I've still yet to find any tutorials online that actually help me understand how to use 3D programs. Any plans for a basic training series for 3Ds Max, Andrew? Pretty please?
Tobi
2 years ago
Wow Adobe/Maxon learn from you Andrew :-)
Its a nice option to import and render C4D Files in AE, but as
jin choung say: ITS only an Importer, not really more!
BTW the other new Features of AE looks really cool. I saw first Tutorials on Mamoworld.com

When did you release Element 3d V2? For me it is more interesting than C4D Lite. BTW i´m i think its time for new Element Tutorial
Abdul
2 years ago
Plz Bro Andrew Kramer

Plz add 3ds max lite also because there are many 3d max users out there, who follow your tuts.
    @Abdul
    2 years ago
    Dude, Andrew Kramer does not include Cinema 4D Lite, and he probably wont create and include 3Ds Max lite. Please read the blog entry again, think and then post.
Grant
2 years ago
"Insane Roto-scoping tool!" - love that!
Dwaine
2 years ago
Lol, Cinema 4D already have pluggins for After Effects...import and export 3-D models.
si
2 years ago
This to me means only one thing... that Andrew will do more 3d tutorials with Cinema 4D and finally we might have a competitor against nuke :D
Dan
2 years ago
For Element I would love to see a way to import a c4d file with the textures and all intact. Would be a dream come true! Especially for files purchased from turbosquid
    2 years ago
    The next version of Element 3D will bring in textures automatically with additional image formats too like HDR and others.
    Daluz
    2 years ago
    Ok, Andrew, dont say too much cos they may copy your V2 ideas. rsrsrs
    Dan H
    2 years ago
    Cheers Andrew. This is great news! Thanks!
Diego
2 years ago
I dont know if it can be done and maybe I'm talking something wayy over the top, but it would be awesome if Element 3D V2 could have a similar interaction with C4D (either by accessing the C4D app, the AE importer)and it would be more awesome if element could grab the shadows and reflection passes from C4D and rendering the rest in Element. but Im sure it wont be speedy anymore, since C4D still needs to render the entire image, even when you just need a few passes. Anyway, the announcement from maxon/adobe didn't made me more exited that when Element 3D was announced!
2 years ago
Don't know if its a massive deal yet. Its certainly not as featured renderwise as element. I'd say its more useful for general workflow, such as getting your camera and animations from cinema into AE quicker and easier - which we've been able to do for a while - this just makes it a bit more linked.

Most mograph artists doing hi spec work will still probably render image sequences and use cineform for supporting workflow, thats how i'd use it.
sumedh
2 years ago
That's just great.. Finally C4D merges with AE much better..
Sean
2 years ago
Cinema 4D Lite is a great add in for AE and it will definitely open up some possibilities. But I can see a lot of users eventually hitting a "wall" and pining for the more advanced features of C4D, like dynamics and mograph. Of course, this is probably what Maxon is counting on. Hopefully they will offer some attractive upgrade options. Regardless, I still think Element will be a go-to item in the toolbox for a long time to come.
2 years ago
I saw an earlier article that said C4D Lite will be included in the new AE, and I was just waiting to see what you were going to have to say about it. lol
2 years ago
sounds like more money that i don't really need to spend. the AE that i have now works like a charm...
    Luke
    2 years ago
    Wow. That was a really intelligent response.
    Sharif
    2 years ago
    Tokyo James, you should subscribe to Creative Cloud, as an owner of AE (CS3 or up) you'll get a discount on the subscription which includes almost all of the Adobe software... so you'll get the Cinema 4D lite addition free with your subscription. I confirmed this to make sure it's true. That's what I'm doing!
Hernan
2 years ago
Ohhh myyy godddddddd!!!!! it awesomee!
Thanks Andrew for the news!!
2 years ago
I think this Guy Andrew Kramer discovered the Dark matter from After Effects :P
Pixx
2 years ago
raytrace reflections & shadows,, yeah right!!
I hope someday Element 3D will feature such as Fume FX , Rayfire and sooo cool stuff ... and Element 3D will be... owwwhhhhh A dream Come true
Andrew a.k.a Gorilla
2 years ago
Andrew do it quickly, and we need some new presets to speed up our projects.
we will never leave you brother.
2 years ago
I hope in the next major release of AE it will include 3Ds Max files and Vray. :)
    Rwanlink
    2 years ago
    I really hope that they will think to 3ds max too
Remington
2 years ago
I was interested to hear your take on this, being as it does step on the toes of Element 3D a bit. I'm glad to hear you've got a positive attitude about it as motivation to make your already great product, greater.

I absolutely don't think it replaces Element 3D, but it will be a huge time saver. The #1 issue is still speed and while this speeds up some of the back and forth, it's still takes an incredible amount of time to render frames through Cinema 4D vs. Element 3D. Element 3D is leaps and bounds faster, but there will always be things you can't do in Element 3D that you need Cinema 4D for, so I think it will just be nice having the options.

(Isn't that a cool thought? Deciding which application you were going to use to integrate your 3D models into After Effects? A few years ago that wasn't possible at all)
    2 years ago
    +1 this comment, well written.
Andrew a.k.a Gorilla
2 years ago
Waouuuuw!! amazing!! i can't wait!!
2 years ago
Ah.. Now Adobe is coming into the thoughts of people. But I am sure V2 will make working with Cinema easier!
jin choung
2 years ago
wait... WHAT???

"doesn’t include some things like polygon modelling or physics engine"
+
the listed features
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you can import c4d scenes. it's an importer for c4d. it's an importer. and the features that are available - rendering basically? - is at cross purposes with rendering in AE.

it's difficult for me to wrap my head around the notion that they're even calling that c4d "lite". it's an importer.

i'll give it the benefit of the doubt andrew cuz you're excited but all i got now is you saying it's cool.

i actually don't see how it is though.

(it's an importer...)
    Elad
    2 years ago
    Is it a bird ?!
    Is it a plane ?!
    Is it a flying random superhero ?!
    No mom, look!
    it's an Importer!! "
    LOL!!!
    Dave
    2 years ago
    Its way more than an importer. You can build objects using primitives and splines and you also use the fracture object which by the way are features not available in Element3d. And also the texturing options in c4d are way more flexible than in Element3d. Those are just a few of the things you get for FREE.
SK
2 years ago
Hey Andrew was wondering if there's plans for more integration with other packages such as Maya and 3DS Max. What you've created with Element 3D is amazing, but my primary software is more Maya....
bwoogie
2 years ago
I'm pretty sure adobe and maxon saw Element and said "Why didnt we think of that". and the rest is history.
    Elad
    2 years ago
    In between:
    Maxon to Adobe: "GUYSSS! people are doing 3D stuff without us! YOU FIX!"
    Adobe to Maxon:"OK so we'll integrate you with us and give it for free"
    Maxon to Adobe:" Money?Us?Where? "
    Adobe to Maxon: "Oh, just cut off tons of features that will make them buy full price."
    Maxon to Adobe: "Deal."
    :)
    Sharif
    2 years ago
    Hahaha Elad's comment here is hilarious! So true!
Elad
2 years ago
Element 3D is the fastest 3D solution out there. Cineware is way slower, especially with massive scenes, as opposed to Element. Andrew you scared Maxon LOL
    Dave
    2 years ago
    True, but there's so much more you'll be able to do with Cineware thatn you can with Element3d. Speed is great but that speed comes with a trade off in featuresand quality. I wonder how speedy Element3d will be once they add shadows, GI, etc.
2 years ago
Somehow I get the feeling your Element 3D plugin has lead the way for them to go "Holy Smokes, we really should have proper 3D in After Effects" :D I won't complain about getting a lite version of C4D, but I do love Element 3D for it's ease of use and upgrade 1.6 is amazing!
Thank you Andrew :D
Alexandr Voinkov
2 years ago
Очень нравится интеграция в Adobe продуктах-таймлиния в Photoshop, а теперь 4D модели в AE!
Really like the integration in Adobe products-timeline in Photoshop, and now 4D models in AE!
2 years ago
Great news Andy! Do you know the release date for the new version of AFX? I don't want to forget to congratulate you for your Element 3D, excelent tool. Optical Flares too. The interface for both tools is amazing and more practical than other plugins. Faster and prettier too, i admire that. Keep up the good work.
thunderossa
2 years ago
WOW!!! So Adobe bought Maxon or are they just licensing? I always thought that would be a perfect match.
2 years ago
any guesses on a release date?
2 years ago
This looks...SO COOL.
2 years ago
Very Nice ! C4D + AE
Mousy
2 years ago
Waiting for it.........
Hunter
2 years ago
I was wondering how you were going to respond to this Andrew, nice response. ;) Keepin' it cool, and always improving!
    Andy
    1 year ago
    Only problem is that Adobe is going all to a cloud system so no more physical copy and the $50 a month.
2 years ago
WHOA. C4D Lite... sounds unbelievable
    Trennon
    2 years ago
    Wow pixel motion blur, cant wait
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