Retro Titles via 1985

About a year and half ago, I was given the opportunity to work with J.J. Abrams to create the intro graphics for the Fox show Fringe which I mentioned on the blog.

Now this season, the producers wanted to flash-back to 1985 for one episode and asked if I would be interested in recreating a title sequence to match the era. I thought to my self, “Radical!”

They wanted to include science concepts that would have seemed cutting-edge at the time, such as “Personal Computing” and “Stealth Technology”, and it was my job was to make it look like Atari!

I did some youtube research and began building the retro sequence in After Effects. It was a very fun project that included some strange challenges as well. The way video was produced at the time was quite different and I didn’t want to do anything that seemed too modern.

One thing that I tried to avoid was using Easy-Ease keyframes to keep the animation more mechanical. I also used a font that implied “High-Tech” called CyFy. The text overlays were also stylized to match the Chyron process used to composite text on video.

Hat’s off to Charles for creating the 1980 version of the music too.

Watch original title sequence, followed by the 1985 version:
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Now those seasoned folks, please feel free to share you stories of actually using the technology from the 1980s…

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311 Comments

3 years ago
But in video says that is created by J.J.Abrams
3 years ago
Awesome. But you do know you could have done the retro open much faster on an Amiga 1000, using Sprites.
Shamin Aizat
4 years ago
do you have a tutorial for this...
been searching tutorials to get a retro look for awhile now
4 years ago
Hey Andrew!
Rad site!
Just wanna say I finally saw this episode of Fringe with the retro titles. Awesome stuff! I cracked up!

Did you do anything else in the show besides the opening titles and the building composite?

You're doing a killer job!

Nick
4 years ago
Ive been keeping up with this site for over a year and This is still my favorite thing you made, its just too perfect. Mad Props Andrew
rocxta
4 years ago
The title just aired here in Germany... :)
JosB
4 years ago
Great stuff! I don't know whether you had the series in the US, but it kind of reminds me (especially with the hand) of the titles of the British series 'The Tomorrow People' that I used to watch when I was a kid ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xez4o1ujOPI
ImAFreeloader
4 years ago
I really love the subtle effects mainly the camera shake and color bleeding. Reminds me so much of my dads VHS cassette tapes, hats of to ya XD
Tyler McCue
4 years ago
I'm just curious how did you ever get involved with J.J? I would really love to hear all about it! Very inspirational!
I loved the star trek main title very well done! I haven't watched fringe but i will now. Next time you see J.J tell him thanks for making such great cinema. ;)
4 years ago
Did you put that little video dirt/distortion at the top of the final frames.
Joel
4 years ago
Love it. Also, Fringe has some awesome graphics :)
Damian
5 years ago
Hey Andres I just wanted to say that me and my brothers always watch the intro of fringe and we thing it is the best intro for any show and now that I know you made it I understand it all!
5 years ago
"Personal Computing" & "in vitro fertilization"

hahahahaha so good!
Jacky Liang
5 years ago
Andrew, did you do the trailer for super 8? IT'S AWESOME! saw it today while watching iron man 2, optical flares looks amazing :D
Saturn5
5 years ago
You trademarked "Radical"? Aw, dude :\ Where do I send the royalties to? Lol. Anyway, that intro was amazing. The visuals and audio worked great together. It was 1984 all over again. Whoa, head rush.
hanu
5 years ago
from where i can get this tutorial...
5 years ago
Very nice work! I'm a fan of the show...and I think you did a great job.BTW...Where they both done using AE???
madstation
5 years ago
I was so impressed the first time I saw the Fringe intro - Damn you are good. It's funny because I'm not too fond about the paranormal stuff but I was drawn into the series because of it's incredible presentation(intro + the 3d lettering integrated in the footage rocks).The 80's version is quite funny - the music adds a lot to the feel.

Well done!
Bob_O
5 years ago
You rock with amazing rockedness!!! Both the original titles and '85 titles are incredible. The retro titles feel so perfect for those old 80s show I grew up on! Great work and keep the coolness coming!
joe
5 years ago
hi since, yes its true, i worked at atari in the 80's... this is WAY too advanced.
tanner
5 years ago
this is awesome you should post a tutorial on how to create this or a similar title sequence
Nik Nikam
5 years ago
you brought back the 80s man ! Music is lovely.
5 years ago
super, but the aspect ratio should be something like 680 X 480, but no matter, great work
Oscar Muniz
5 years ago
I just love a good suprise and I just watched a Fringe episode and thought "Hey that intro looks amazing!!" I should've known that Andrew had something to do with it!
Mark mulready
5 years ago
Love it! just watching the episode of fringe where these effects were applied! One Word... "Awesome"! already sending this page around to my freinds!
Carlos
5 years ago
Tears in my eyes. You are fantastic... the old graphics was a must (tron style). Goood.
5 years ago
As always you're an inspiration.

Thank you so much from Uruguay
Adrian
5 years ago
heyy andrew please make a tutorial for the intro of fringe ,, will be great
mauricio
5 years ago
simplemente espectacular Andrew, puedes hacer uno personalizado
5 years ago
Absolutely perfect, as always, Andrew. Have been a big fan of your work over the last 3 years! The new-old style Fringe title sequence totally blew me away when I saw this episode.This was easily the Best Fringe episode to date - made all the more awesome by your work. Are you responsible for the "3D Location Titles" in each episode also?
Never stop doing what you love!
Sharif
5 years ago
Awesome work dude, greetings from Egypt
Jay
5 years ago
Awesome 80s take on one of the best intros on TV. Just in case you might have some inside knowledge, will "Belly" will be showing up again. Realise you have probably signed a ND but thought I'd still ask.
Jesse
5 years ago
Ha, wow. I love the 80 style intro. Coupled with the retro-style theme, it's extremely cool.
Diane
5 years ago
Other possible science keywords could be DARPAnet, FLIR (Forward-looking infrared) and SDI (Strategic Defense Initiative).

Keep up the great work; I've learned so much from you.
Evan
5 years ago
Amazing! I loved watching the episode after knowing that it was you!! Any chance you'll do a quick tip on how to make the liquid bubble type things from the original opening?? They look so cool!
WiGeTS
5 years ago
Seriously man, i've been a fan of you for about a year now, and I must say i keep being impressed by your work.
I saw the movie without reading and I thought you did a remake of the old version instead of the other way around.
You really had me going there, great work!!!

WiGeTS from the Netherlands
Say Yes
5 years ago
make a tutorial about using the camera perfectly please andrew!!
Udit
5 years ago
Great work as usual !!
David
5 years ago
i absolutly loved the 80's title sequence
Spex
5 years ago
hillarious... blends perfect with the audio... nice one
5 years ago
oh my god this looks so cool. I love the 80s adrew do but even a tutorial for that. And a tutorial for a 35mm FIlm look would be great
greetz Maniac221 (Manuel Germany)
Sampsomonium
5 years ago
I saw it on TV and actually commented on how creative it was and refreshing to see a new one for the episode.

I could say more on how much I loved it and how great your skills are BUT it is prolly bee said and you probably won't read down this far anyway so instead of telling you again of your greatness I will just give you a gratifying head nod so that you know you did a good job and not make you read a long a pointless post.

5 years ago
Love that show and have been a big VC fan for some time now. Very stoked to see that you worked on that project, you are truly inspiring my man.

Keep it up, we appreciate all you do.
Will
5 years ago
Nice work as usual man.

-d
N.Ireland
Michael Banks
5 years ago
That is AWESOME! Love the 3D wire framing and film jitter.
Mannu
5 years ago
Alem95
5 years ago
Can you see after the Dark Matter text for two or three frames it's written Observers are here
5 years ago
Awesome work! True retro vibes :)
Adi T.
5 years ago
A tutorial with something similar would be wonderful Andrew. Good job like always.
ecisneros
5 years ago
Oh come on! Can you stop being brilliant for a second man? I'm still trying to catch up!

I just loved that retro "Tron-Atari" feel, and the interesting synchronicity was that I was watching "Fringe" and the opening title sequence reminded me that I haven't visited this site in a while, and so I paused the show, came here and low and behold, you do this "radical" move!

Don't stop inspiring us man! And count me in when you decide to make your opus, I think you don't realize that you've been assembling (and teaching) a digital army that will contribute to help you make that big project you've been holding back on. Or maybe that's been your plan all along?

You have my axe sir,

Eduardo
Olli Huttunen
5 years ago
Wow!

That really moved me to 80's. I remember my first computer Commodore 64 and all it's great games. The original C64 game box had same kind retro hand drawn sci-fi graphics and the typography were also familiar.

Who used the grid space first time? was it in Tron? or was it in some where before that?

Excelent idea! Andrew, you nailed that retro feeling.
Can't wait to see that episode.

-Olli
Doug
5 years ago
Exactly HOW MANY Starfighter's are left?! Fantastic work!
5 years ago
You know you got me thinking on this "back in the day" stuff, because I was working with Chyrons and Compugraphics in the mid-eighties, and was lucky enough to start on the first Macs and Amigas. I remember the genlock card to let you put "graphics" from the Amiga onto actual video was too big for the case, so you had to work with the lid off and that lovely wide SCSI cable coming up over the top. I also did "desktop publishing" with x-acto knives and hotwax, and we edited our audio with razor blades.

For the real "youngsters" that have posted here, back in 1985/86 a small Seattle company called Silicon Beach had offered an application called Super Paint, and another called Digital Darkroom-these would eventually become Photoshop-but in 1985 they were still only BLACK AND WHITE.

Also in Seattle, this place called Adobe was making scaleable vector typefaces, but had yet to market their graphical Postscript editor as Illustrator. Aldus had put out Pagemaker version 1.0, but almost no one could afford a Mac powerful enough to run it.

Premiere actually came out in 1990/91 or so. I remember being here at Macshow in Houston when they announced it, following Quicktime's boast of supporting a full quarter screen image. Same year they showed us Alias 3D for the Macs.

I think After Effects came about a few years after that. I remember playing with the Compositor in Alias Wavefront before I got the chance to use After Effects.

Hard to believe how primitive some of that stuff was, and yet we thought we had the world by the tail. -R
Dean Doll
5 years ago
Well, as a Child of the 80's, I remember using rotary phones, playing on the Atari, using a Commodore 64, and Apple II, as well as my uncle buying one of the very first Sony Walkman for about $400.00. Life was simpler back then, and watching cartoons on a TV where you actually had to get up and turn the dial to change the channel was always the best way to spend Saturday morning.

And Bermuda shorts.. that I didn't get until they were out of style and cheap.
Vartan Avny
5 years ago
I was actually born in 1985...
wasn't much of AE user back then...
sweet

ti ti ti..love this 80's synths...
5 years ago
Hey Andrew, I really love your tutorials on SFX, but I don't really follow your blog... I was really excited when I found out tha you were the responsible for the video effects on Fringe! I'm addicted to that series!! Great job!
5 years ago
Perfect, just perfect.
The music, the animation, everything!

I'd love to have a quick rundown of the techniques you used for the video artifacts.
rraph
5 years ago
pure genius! and the show gets better and better, too!
Derrick van Niekerk
5 years ago
Ha ha ha. That was just brilliant. Good Job on the '80 title, it is spot on!

- Derrick
5 years ago
Wo0w.. That was outstanding..
What a brilliant performance Andrew Kramer..!

We've got many thing from you about Adobe After Effect..

That how to be creative or how to make something really awesome & realistic on "Adobe After Effect"..
About Text, Light, Expression & Camera & it was really appreciated or it will be really appreciate or its appreciate able..!

Can you please do something i mean you can but i think that now its time to make something on "3D Studio Max" that must be about the broadcast media animation & i think now we have to came out from the text animation coz we've learnt about it lot of the thing..

When you & your outstanding Team started "Video Copilot" as a free lance animation teacher for those who always try to make something special & who always try to learn something special that could be helpful for their work or for their projects & i'm pretty sure that you've made your goal & have completed your aim to involving in our breathe..!

I also know it that many time you've told us that its easy to create something cool on "Adobe After Effect" as "3D Studio Max" coz it takes lot of time to render or to preview that what the thing you're doing & sometimes it becomes a waste of the time when you really need to do in urgent..!

You've opened many thing on us & that is really helpful to know that how to be creative or how could we make some cool thing through "Adobe After Effect" but this time i would like to see something about "3D Studio Max" coz you better know that here is also a big fans of "3D Studio Max" who also want to know or want to see something special about "3D Studio Max" not about the character animation but about the media or broadcast animation..
Will Hope that in the next of coming tutorials we would seen something related to "3D Studio Max"..
Joe
5 years ago
Hey Andrew !I thinks a tutorial that covers the creating of the original title from fringe could be a good idea...
FloVC
5 years ago
one of the coolest things you ever made!
its awesome!
Ruwin
5 years ago
Hi Andrew, i'm a Fringe fan, ass well as AE user. First time i saw Fringe i said to myself: that's After Effects. I even tried to explain to my girlfriend that the piece of software i'm using dayli can produce that. Of course she didn't undterstood a word (nr. "well if that's After Effects, what's Before Effects doing?"). Anyway, i'm glad to know you did that nice looking title effect. Cheers!
Diane
5 years ago
Awesome job, as usual. Would have been more hilarious if you used that unmistakable typeface, associated with Chyron.
5 years ago
Nice work! Looks like you grabbed some 80s style from that HBO intro that you blogged about a while ago. I like it!
Gabriel Molina
5 years ago
Indeed hat's off for the theme song... very 80's... Of course the animation is awesome too... very TRON like... By the way... is there any TRON LOOK TUTORIAL?
Scooter ***
5 years ago
Back in the Late 70's my dad purchased a Apple ][™ (about $1300) running at 1Mhz with 8k of RAM. We had to use a Cassette Player to Load & Save all our programs which can take 5~10 minutes. This is before Disk Drives... which we purchased about 2 years later. "Russki Duck™" was one of my first game purchases. This game was a lot of fun. I used a programming language called "Fortran 77™" which allowed me to make simple flip book like animations. There was also "Beagle Brothers™" that made a lot of nice simple "Basic" programs to help make games or whatever.
Link to a History Museum run by Steven Frank about the Beagle Brothers™ company http://stevenf.com/beagle/contents.html
A lot has changed since then.
Lex
5 years ago
I saw the episode and thought "Damn! Andrew lost his contract - and look at this new idiot who has made this look like it was from the '80's!!"

Well - until I saw your post and finnnaly made the connection to the episode!

Talk about being slow! Loved the way that the music took a trip back too.
gkaster
5 years ago
what elese :) just perfect !
5 years ago
Great! I noticed the retro title last week and thought that was a fun departure. Having lived in the 80s and owning various Atari system, graduating through Degas Paint, to Cyber 3D, the intro was a surprise I hadn't expected. Nice work as always!
Joe
5 years ago
i watch Fringe ,,, i new u had somthin t do with it
its just Outstanding !!
5 years ago
It's really cool to see your work ! did you use 3d max too or is it only AE
MYU
5 years ago
hey andew i'm a fan of this TV SHOW . and i tried some effects in this intro but it didn't work well . pleeeeez post a tut for this too !! specially 3d text reverse shatter effect !!
Steve
5 years ago
I love Fringe and have been following (and a customer) of Video Copilot for a while now... and I was happy to see the combo when the series first started. And now this! Man, I started cracking up with the 80s title sequence. Nicely done Andrew.

Also, did you know JJ always talks you up real well in his commentaries. Both on Star Trek and the pilot episode of Fringe.
Mickel
5 years ago
Watched this last night and had to know if it was your work. Great job. Seeing the title at the end I now know why you posted about the 80's HBO intro a while back. Excellent work!
BigHache
5 years ago
I loved seeing this retro intro. Such a great touch for a flashback episode.

I used to create "HiRes" graphics on the Commodore 64 with a joystick. I'm glad technology advances.
Navarro Parker
5 years ago
One little anachronism... Verdana wasn't invented until 1996!
cogspa
5 years ago
Very cool.

But the he font looks a little outdated by 1980's standards. Cyfy looks like Amelia, which was a 70's style computer font.

Here is 70s style computer font in the magazine Avant Garde.
http://typophile.com/files/Fugs_5756.jpg

Will the 80s rolled around hi-tech had a different look. I would have referenced April Greimen (http://typophile.com/files/Fugs_5756.jpg or early Emigre fonts.

As a side note, did you ever watch Misfits of Science in the 80's. I would call it a comedic precursor to the X-files and Fringe. I included the link just for fun...

http://typophile.com/files/Fugs_5756.jpg
5 years ago
Dude love it! i hope to be great like u one day!
Lee
5 years ago
I did something like this recently for my own entertainment. My goal was to re-create the look of a worn-out VHS tape, but I used real footage instead of graphics. The main tools I used were Displacement Map and Fractal Noise...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB8whz9rRDw

The colour-bleeding was done by having a "Hue" transfer mode version over top of a B&W version of the same clip. I then wiggled both the opacity and a horizontal blur on the "Hue" transfer mode layer.

I remember a while back, Harry J. Frank over at Gray Machine did a tutorial on retro-style graphics. Might be handy for anyone who wants to try this themselves.
Paton MacD
5 years ago
Nailed it Andrew. When I saw this... I started with the AWWW!! LOOK AT THIS !! And then I thought about you laughing as you were listening to the cheesy Casio sounding song version with the drum machine... Just well done. Very impressed. Took me right back.
Brandon
5 years ago
From day one, I've loved the Fringe title sequence -- and watching the retro intro last week was a thrilling ride, both in how well it conveyed the setting of the episode and how fun it was. Nicely done! I had no idea you were behind those, but now that I do, I tip my tip.
WayshART
5 years ago
Hmm... i like it :)
Vick
5 years ago
hey you alrite guys...jus watched all the vids and think that there awesome..im from london and need sum title sequences made for my youtube channel...if any1s intrested in doin some work can you email me on limitlessvids@hotmail.com

thanks alot
5 years ago
looool, you are too good to be true!!!
5 years ago
Oops you gave yourself away by using Verdana at the end! Which was only introduced in 1996......
Salman
5 years ago
its superrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Cuboos
5 years ago
wow. the 80s Retro version took me take to the documentaries my high school and middle school science classes use to show me.
5 years ago
Thank you Mr. Kramer
Cody
5 years ago
Hey andrew could you make a matchmoving tutorial in after effects for us all, Thanks dude
God! Incredible Job!!!! You are really my heroe!
CaNA
5 years ago
GREAT WORK! I LOVED THE MUSIC!!
You are The master Andrew!!
5 years ago
this is awesome, would be nice Andrew to check my action Essential vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqS9L1fruok
Knappy
5 years ago
Dude, I watched this Thursday night and thought... "I hope this is Andrew's work because it's absolutely awesome!"
5 years ago
Haha, that was awesome.
5 years ago
Retro cool, it was a really funny moment.
Bradley Bell
5 years ago
One word - Super-Awesome.
5 years ago
Was After Effects the only program used?
Victor Velasco
5 years ago
WOW!!!!!!
incredible
the sensation that transmit is great, THE RETRO LOOK IS FANTASTIC, MOST OF ALL FOR THE GOOD WORK IN THE "old tv transmission effect", the blur, the changes in the fps rate, great!!!

Please make a tutorial about this!, it's just fantastic
Allister gourlay
5 years ago
Just saw the episode here in the UK Andrew and I said to my wife I wonder if you also produced it? Gotta be one of the best Fringe episodes so far excellent emotion and great acting from the guy who plays Walter.
The retro sequence reminded me of an old UK TV 70's series called "The Tomorrow People" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xez4o1ujOPI
and another called "Timeslip" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xez4o1ujOPI
The Real Smithy
5 years ago
very nice 80's inrto. i love the little title shake, as you would see back then on credits. i'm watching the very old 1959 twilight zones episodes and watching the intros for that with the shakey credits. great work andrew,
q- how long does it take you for research and what deadline did they give you? 2 weeks? 2 days?
The Real Smithy
5 years ago
man andrew, that is s amazing from how far you have really come, from all those years starting at creative cow and your sky replacement tutorial to this, working on star trek etc. proud of you man
5 years ago
excelente intro
Pavel Peterka
5 years ago
Hey, I got maxi confused... Somebody praises things from first one 'n' some from second one... What the **** is that? Which one did he make up? Sorry for that, but there words like "original" or "1985 version" are loosing sense, because everyone messes with them at will^^ However, both of them look awesome so "GREAT WORK, ANDREW" :-D
Vaguener
5 years ago
Wow

The first flash light looks like Brazil map (or Africa as u said before)
5 years ago
Really "fresh" title. Is so vintage to be FRESH! LOL I know, thats no sense! But this titles is very cool! Great Andrew!
Mantas
5 years ago
Exelent as ussual
zanman
5 years ago
this just seriously made my day and made the show just that much better for me
the intro is amazing and if you made a tutorial on how to do either the retro or modern one I'd be ecstatic.

-The Zanman.
5 years ago
Very good work :)

I don´t know that the "Fringe" Intro was made by you :)

Excellent !

You are the After Effects GOD !

PS: sry about my english - i am from germany :)
Fernando
5 years ago
Hey, stop here! You're a crack!!!

It's awesome, congratulations.

I think you're lake the peopple who are in the films supervising the special effects!
5 years ago
I have been watching this show for a long time, and the introduction was one of my favorite parts. Thanks Andrew. You make Fringe so awesome.
5 years ago
That is 52 different types of awesome.

Really funny and so well done man, could totally buy that as a show title of the time (albeit a damn good one for back then). Reminded me of Tomorrow's World, Doctor Who and the early X-Files title sequences.

Genius!
5 years ago
Ohh fringe, I Think that serie has great visual effects, a question, do you work in that serie?
Shrek2
5 years ago
WOW Andrew! Great design! You have done it well.
Actually it really interests me to hear from you how you've created the Chyron process effect...
Max
5 years ago
Hahaha, so cool!
Ethan
5 years ago
Wow thats insane, great job!! My favourite part was when the camera zoomed through those dark lines and then the hand appeared and the lines were on the hand. Very creative ;p
5 years ago
Wow... This is some crazy sh1%. I just watched the episode of Fringe, and the very next thing i did was climb behind my PC and thought "hmm.. im gonna mess around in after effects, lets visit videocopilot.net" and there is the intro! How cool is that? Anyway, keep up the good work making tutorials Andrew (and probably a whole team of people)
meno2020
5 years ago
So cooool Andy ¡¡¡

Please, we would like to see a tutorial of that kind of graphics ¡¡¡¡¡¡

Thank you
Joseph
5 years ago
At first I thought the first one was yours, i think that was Thinking Particles used in the modern "Fringe" title
5 years ago
Andrew I have a request

I want you to tutorial of the word that comes out of the water, and water dripping them

Thank you very much
Chem
5 years ago
the best TV Show I've ever seen,and your tutorials are also the best!

*I am from Hong Kong, student of HKDI, please accept my poor english
5 years ago
lol, that was great! Thanks for sharing man...
5 years ago
Hey Andrew, isn't that CyFy font just Amelia? Looks the same, like when they used it for Yellow Submarine, 40 years ago, heh.

Regardless, you're doing tremendous work. I found this site via Reddit, and I'm glad I did!
Vauger
5 years ago
Cool! I really liked it, I would like him a lesson on this topic:)
Batfrog
5 years ago
@Angel
Yes, that's it. but here is the link Kramer put at the end of the blog post.

http://www.videocopilot.net/videoblog/Retro_Titles_via_1985/

it has the original, followed by the 1985 one.
Angel
5 years ago
Is the link on the post?... i didnt find but this is what i found in youtube... is that the kramer titles?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbaG3C1GQ-c
maj
5 years ago
Cool. Really cool!
Victor
5 years ago
Great work!
I think it's time for me to buy some Optical Flares!
Akhil
5 years ago
Hey Andrew,
Could it be possible for you to make a tutorial similar to this kind of video. Like where one scene is in continuation with the next but isn't nearly a part of the next.
Or could someone direct to a place where i can find this.

Thanks
5 years ago
Thanks also for identifying the font, Andrew!

Anyone who wants to learn how to play the music theme to the Fringe intro, I made a video tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp0fMA5ssC4
Putemonsteret
5 years ago
Great as usual. i espesialy liked the mechanic feel of the last one.

I'd love for you to make a breakdown of these 2 introes.
Jack_R
5 years ago
I love the "wiggle" on the "optical" elements.

Combined with the pokey synth title music, it's a winner!
5 years ago
OMG IT WAS YOU! SQUEE!
Ken
5 years ago
I just watched this last night and thought it was so creative and an amazing touch to the episode. And then I go your site today and see you were the one who created this! All the visuals were just perfect in conveying the retro feel. Awesome job!
5 years ago
I was 11 in ’85 and felt 11 all over again :)
awesome stuff u do.
filipe3x
5 years ago
I love the tron look on that composition.
Gruselgurke
5 years ago
Really great work! Perfect adaption of the modern intro! The whole style of the classic intro fits perfectly in the time!
macnimation
5 years ago
super job on the 85 version....it brings me back!

Only criticism is that although the graphics and music emulate the era well, the overall graphics are too "clean" and "modern". It needs to be a bit softer and less perfect.

I bet it would be more difficult to re create an 80's Sci Fi intro by using the same techniques back then than emulating it using modern technologies.
Tobey
5 years ago
So brilliant. You really nailed it. I started laughing cos it was so on-the-spot.
Eric
5 years ago
Excellent Work! Gotta learn some more 3D animation, that was amazing!
Collin
5 years ago
haha I love the show Fringe and that sequence matches perfectly for the retro kinda look! AMAZING job!
R Duval
5 years ago
That's great! Ha!
Matheus Silva
5 years ago
esse foi o melhor vídeo que vocês ja fizeram, faz o cinema parecer coisa de amador
nota 1000
Carl
5 years ago
hahaha...you can really see the difference...great job :D
Bronsn
5 years ago
Yes! This was awesome!
Fabio
5 years ago
AwesomeeeeEEEEE!
the realism you added in the movie we cannot compare with the original..

really really nice!

f'ck Andrew HAHA' ^^
danny
5 years ago
hahaha this looks SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO awesome andrew!

you are my hero, mister! ;D
kadirbilgin
5 years ago
can you do atutorials on full length promos like this?
highdefw
5 years ago
Excellent work AK. Very inspirational
5 years ago
I wonder how long he had to keep that a secret.
Rob
5 years ago
You are sooooo cool Andrew.
5 years ago
Wonderful job
congratulation
& We are waiting the tutorial

Thanks Andrew K.
5 years ago
That was absolutely amazing.
geoff
5 years ago
First of all - love both title sequences.

There are only two big "but"s I need to constructively criticize:
1) It doesn't _really_ lok 80's, only what we today think the 80's look like (see DVNO for more information on that subject). Of course, due to both the freedom of better technology and the constraints of creating something that is appealing for today's audience, it's hard to make something look convincingly period.

2) This is the bad one that's really bothering me: why does the 80's hand have five fingers? Where's the sixth?! The point of these images in Fringe is to be weird and now you've used a boring old regular hand.


But still, I have to say that you did a truly great job on those retro titles. Well done!

PS: What is that font at the end ("Created By...")? Verdana? Didn't that come out in 1996?
krisq
5 years ago
Bloody brilliant!!
VP
5 years ago
can you do atutorials on full length promos like this?
5 years ago
Here is the steps iam following to make FRINGE intro.
1st follow tutorial 95. scene Re Lighting to make your floting bubble.
2nd follow tutorial 89 to make your fringe 3d text or tutorial 47 in C4D.
Find textures from the roit gear for BG and dark ink flowt/watch the intro over and over,use trapcode or cc particle world to create the dark particles + your fav text + OPTICAL FLARES. Andrew gave us all the clues all you have to do is find them:)
Rafael Carbajal
5 years ago
Wow Andrew! what technology you use?! this is amazing! I bet you used the Mark I computer. Sincerely, surpassed the Atari haha Congratulations! Great stuff!
Cracchus
5 years ago
Andrew, that really made me smile........ that was awsome.
Don Carlos
5 years ago
Yippeee =D I love your work and I love FRINGE so much. The classic intro is so ispiring for me and your 80s version is simply cool! I really didn't know, that it's your work. Now I can say you: "Thanks, Andrew ;)". I'm going to use similar style for intro in my dissertation. I'll show you my result then.
Antwan
5 years ago
A little VFX breakdown perhaps in the next Blog Show or Tutorial?
5 years ago
lmao !! brilliant implementation of school graphics !
Erwan
5 years ago
As soon as i've seen the new intro, i knew that only one man could build this so perfectly.
Congrats, it was also one of the best episode of the show.... God bless JJ Abrams & AK !!
5 years ago
I don't know what to say. Verrry impressed. I watched the upload before reading the rest of the blog and was confused as to whether or not FRINGE was on t.v. back in the day. Extremely convincing.
Deathil93
5 years ago
Damn Andrew, when you win the Oscar for best VFX don't forget the little people at VCP :D
herr wild
5 years ago
nice work :-)
but the final title looks to modern &shiny... and i would change the font somehow, but the trailer is great :-)
Dave Gregson
5 years ago
Hi whats up,

lol, Andrew like in the new Fringe title you was asked if that was your hand, obviously it was'nt as you didnt have 5 fingers :) ..... But in the 1985 version... Is that your hand?

Nice work, well thought out as usual.

All the best
Dave :)
JackieNP
5 years ago
Very cool! Did you use time machine to make it?
Popov
5 years ago
the retro sound is awesome!
5 years ago
That is so old school! Love it.
5 years ago
Comme toujours! Un travail bien propre.
Jaffe
5 years ago
All I could do was laugh.. that's awesome..
Jan
5 years ago
I liked the original title better :(
5 years ago
Totally Awesome BUD! I mean cowabunga doood! And as we would say in Boston, That was wicked pissa!
5 years ago
Absolute class Andrew! Love the editing aswell, the whole feel is perfect! 5*'s
oliver
5 years ago
amazinggg incredible title sequence! keep the good work!! you are amazing Andrew
5 years ago
I still have some art that I created using only 4 colors, painted on the Commodore 64 on an Okadata printer.
Ives
5 years ago
Brilliant - did you make the sound aswell?
I see 'Wiggle' too haha, nice!
Andre
5 years ago
@Josh

yes, i thought people might get it wrong. i was just amazed by the fact that someone started with a simple website, and now does such "palpable" stuff... just that.
Sam
5 years ago
Andy my old Sensei!

You forgot to drop the motion blur ;) Otherwise, Perfecion :)
Jedi Dan12
5 years ago
Nice, but it's too fast. I can't read the text.
Oliver
5 years ago
I just noticed the changes in the text, what a great little touch.

In vitro fertilization will destroy us all. Four fingers on a hand [what a monster!] I’m glad I can watch these evil inhuman discoveries all from the safe distance of degrading video tape. Thank you Andrew.
5 years ago
I've watched this new episode tomorrow and I was really surprised. I laughed a bit hah, that extremly well done music + retro look... +1

Anyway the whole episode was amazing. Flashback to Walter's times was well executed.
When I saw retro title I was pretty sure that it will be something from the past.
Well done !
Pete
5 years ago
Fringe is really a great show alone and I still remember watching the first episode thinking "Wow, the clips before and after the commercials is something unique in the way they implemented it from a graphical sense." Thinking back to the early 90's there was another show that was ahead of it's time called VR5. Not sure how many remember it, but Fringe has the same appeal only more accepted. VR5 I think was a great concept, but the wrong time to air.

Very well done Andrew... :)
Alexander
5 years ago
i love the recreated intro! the tiny camerashake, the noisy screen with little bluriness. :) i feel like i am in 1985 back again. great job andrew!

and the music is just awesome!
Gary
5 years ago
looks a bit like Tron :)
elias
5 years ago
this is prefect.
raely realy Awesome
5 years ago
Both titles are incredible, I was pleasantly surprised when I saw the 80s titles in the latest episode, congratulations!
5 years ago
When I read about the music being altered too I instantly thought that for it to be 1985 it just had to have synthesizer in it. And I'm not disappointed! This is older at all aspects! Very well done, if I might say so myself!
5 years ago
Good shit on the Fringe titles VCP crew...
BBC comedy show Look Around You did something similar a while back - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCWA7uevo_Q - worth a look. Graymachine had a cool article some time ago on the 1983 HBO intro, also worth checking out.
Dan Graves
5 years ago
I'll I know about the show is that the kid from Might Ducks is in Fringe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch4rKKBVH38&feature=related . I love your style though
Dan Graves
5 years ago
At first when I saw the video I was like that's not 80's, but then I saw the second half and I must say, very good job, you are a true genius. That was so 80's I thought I was a baby (born in '83). Did I also mention I am wasted drunk?

-Dan Graves
5 years ago
I ask myself...but Andrew Kramer is real??? He's so amazing...perfect...great...

Your colleagues are very lucky to have you as friend!!!

Bye
Gianni (from Italy)
5 years ago
I was watching Fringe today and wondering, why the intro is in retro style now :P Anyway, great Job Andrew :P
John
5 years ago
I knew that was your handy work again, very awesome as normal.
jo
5 years ago
great! spirit of retro is delivered at 100%!!!

tears and nostalgia
Phill
5 years ago
Made me laugh when it came out, it was very 80s, I was half expecting you to say "I got the first ever edition of after effects and did it on that"
5 years ago
Quite funny and in the same way weird that they would rebrand the opening sequence for a specific episode. Still, the 80's weren't always that "bad taste" and perhaps exploring another design direction would have been better and not as clichéed...
Tobi
5 years ago
Great, I really like it.

But I was wondering whether you did this intro in several languages or someone else did? Because in Germany there are the german translations used as well as an subtitle at the very end.
Majin
5 years ago
great work as usual! can't wait for the tutorial =D
5 years ago
The big question remains, did you use Sure Target or did you not...?
Paul_M
5 years ago
Hey Andrew,

did you use the Fringe-Title-Break where it develops out of little pieces in the blog-show intro too? Looks just A-MAZE-ING! Greetings from Austria
5 years ago
Dear Mr. Andrew, I was just wondering what did they use for that drop that was rippling or warping...was it 2d or 3d...did they use noise or 3rd party plug in for flows and stuff like that...thank you... good job as usual

keep it up supporter
5 years ago
Andrew, Great job brother, you nailed it! love the site thanks for all the tips. - Jeremy
JIK
5 years ago
MAN! I'm speechless...
Respect!
5 years ago
oh , very well , once video same as SECOND.
but once video is modern :D .
very PARTICULAR.
thanks
Klas
5 years ago
Oops..it was in 1985....but all the same!!
Klas
5 years ago
Suuuper!

In 1984 I was 13 years old and if I remember correctly we didn´t have technology back then :)
Dan
5 years ago
Hm. I watched the show yesterday, and had previously watched the sequence here, on the website. While I quite enjoyed watching it here, I didn't like it too much in context. Can't tell why, though.
5 years ago
Awesome! As Always!!
Love Andrew
5 years ago
Hi man:
1) i love u
2) it's very cool
3) but too much wiggle(shake at end title)

regards :)
SiD
5 years ago
Wow! great work as usual!
5 years ago
I watched FRINGE last night (great episode and very revealing if you follow the show). When I saw those titles I was thinking "Andrew Kramer"
kev Silver
5 years ago
Just saw that episode today and I didn't know Andrew created the title sequence, but the first thing I thought when I saw the sequence was Andrew Kramer.
Sean
5 years ago
Well, the 80's one is way better than anything I could do with AE even today, so...and the present intro, well, forget it! But i'm here to learn, after all. Andrew deserves any and all and continued success, because he's a giver. Generous folks have a way of receiving in the end. It is well deserved. I have learned so much from this site, it is crazy! Thanks for sharing your knowledge so generously, VC. I will pay you back with a purchase of some kind. Oh, I also used an 80's Chyron in the 90's at a TV station, typing in the news stuff, and hitting "read" for a half-hour. Lol.
reni2040
5 years ago
A legend is always legend !!
5 years ago
Great work emulating those old titles, and the music was spot on. Reminds me of the awe I experienced watching the DVNO music video.
Diego
5 years ago
Hello!!! I'm from Chile!! congratulations Andrew!! it's looks awesome, I'm big fun of fringe
5 years ago
A-mazing! Great work as always!!
Vizion
5 years ago
Amazing how far we have come in the world. Nicely made.
Ken
5 years ago
Great work Andrew! and I want to thank you, because knowing you created the intro for the show, interested me enough to watch an episode, and now it is one of my most looked forward to TV shows!
antony615
5 years ago
AwesomeAwesomeAwesomeAwesomeAwesome!!!!@"@
Warlos
5 years ago
That remind me the V tv series, you know Marc singer and the aliens invading the earth..
Video Maker
5 years ago
What i would love to know is how you make the grain and the camera shake so, 1980's like. It's very good. :)
Joe from Virginia
5 years ago
Loved the opening sequence Andrew. But I have to admit, I don't remember too many animation-only opening title sequences in the early to mid 80's (I was born in 70).

If you wanted to go deep-80 retro, you just needed video of each of the main characters and then the amusing 'freeze-frame' character title slate. (Of course, Walter generating a cheesy lightning effect in his laboratory would've been sweet!)
JR
5 years ago
It was perfection. Had a huge smile on my face while watching that last night. Nicely done.
Darren
5 years ago
About how long did it take you to create something like that?
Judging on how fast you work in your tutorials i'd say like 10 min.
Stefano Emilio
5 years ago
OOOO man so goood really good , awesome sequence and remember me tron ... yes i'm old man :P !!! Best regards Stefano

p.s.
And the sound nobody say it's really '80 wow !!
Hassan Alkilabe
5 years ago
I like the music, is there an extended version :(?
Eric
5 years ago
I am quite literally astounded at how well that turned out. Not just cool and cutting edge, but downright classy! Thanks for allowing us to compare yours with the old one! Looks amazing.
luis
5 years ago
I remmeber using the video toaster it was fun at that time
5 years ago
That was awesome, brought back memories. I worked at a TV news station in the '90's that was using 80's technology so the resolution and mechanical animation is perfect. Also the bad VHS or 3/4" analog tape tracking is great. It was a pretty good episode too. They were back at the fictitious Reiden Lake, which would be about an hour from where I live.
Mike S
5 years ago
I watched fringe last night. When I saw that I was wondering if you had made that as well. Really cool
Parkie
5 years ago
My friends and I gathered round the PVR earlier this evening to watch episode 1, season 3 of BBCs Ashes To Ashes, followed by the latest episode of Fringe... Cue Fringe titles... Cue cheers and rapturous applause! We must've pressed rewind at least half a dozen times! Thank you for recreating my 20's for me :-)

Awesome as usual, Mr K!
Corey
5 years ago
Hey Andrew!

Great work again. I really appreciate this site and all of your work. I hope to get into the creative track of an advertising program (and eventually do visual work on either ads or films) and I feel the resources you provide are putting me ahead.

It seems you've found a way to keep things fun and interesting while laying down a solid career. I look up to your level of skill and apparent professionalism. If you have any advice, I'd be happy to hear it!
Alex Wedlake
5 years ago
Awesome. Ill be creating some cool titles as I have just ordered Action Essentials 2! 2K version of course!
Patrick Norman
5 years ago
I was waiting for "Compact Discs" and "Electronic Mail" and "Cyberwarfare."

Good work; especially the new hand overlaying the skeletal hand. Well done!
5 years ago
Love the 80's styled music, with the very 80's electric guitar at the end. Did Abrams do this version of the music too?

Cheers,
Jacob.
Zak
5 years ago
it's so beautiful i love it and the music is great
RiZ
5 years ago
LOL.. Dang.. I don't know how I missed the original Fringe intro post, but I'm a huge Fringe fan, and every time I watch the show open, I thought to myself, "This definitely looks like Andrew Kramer".. I'm glad to know I was right!
Oliver
5 years ago
I love the 80's version, all you need is a flux-capacitor and you are set.
5 years ago
Very 90's Outer-Limits like....at least theres not a naked man in it!
Matt
5 years ago
Very very nice title sequence! But witch program has been used for make the 3D FRINGE text? Maya, Cinema 4D, 3ds Max?
5 years ago
WOW Andrew i love it!
Really fits in with the time period and its great :]
Well done! :D
TrainerBoy
5 years ago
Frickin' PERFECT!! I love the Lazer Surgery, and virtual reality.

And Charles, nice work. If the tempo was up about 50 bpm, I would have expected to hear,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIW5_uGtehs

"Knight Rider - A shadowy flight into the dangerous world of a man who does not exist...

Michael Knight, A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent,
the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law."

Nice. I bet that was a blast!
Jason
5 years ago
it was absolutely brilliant! That was an awesome additional to a great show last night.
5 years ago
Ah, the good ole' days... when life was simpler!
5 years ago
the very slight camera shake you used is what sold it for me, very well done as always :)
5 years ago
It's only missing one thing...a keytar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MgLNnzeQFw
Jose Luis
5 years ago
you should want to look at Dubner Character Generator
and Painter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jg_6pEp5LM
Bill Kelly
5 years ago
I remember shooting video on a VHS camera for our high school video yearbook in the late '80s. We edited it by dubbing from VCR to VCR and using the title function to superimpose titles and credits at the end. It seems so primitive now.
At the time, the computers we had in our school, which I believe were Radio Shack TRS-80's Model 3 & 4, had a whopping 8K and 16K of RAM respectively.

Dang I feel old.
5 years ago
Very sharp ! You're the master as usual !
Pachu
5 years ago
Kramer, you magnificent son of a bitch! You've done it again!
Darren
5 years ago
All of a sudden, I want to go watch Knight Rider and Airwolf
Heber
5 years ago
Andrew did u used C4D for the title?? look like the transformers one....
pev
5 years ago
My opinion, it is always difficult to return back, great job!
P.S. how much time you spent?
Respect.
5 years ago
Wow. A friend of mine sent me the link to the retro version this morning in awe. We both don't watch the show but heard about the special title. I was like, "I wonder if they had Andrew do that," but didn't see a new post. Until now!

Well done. That's one of my flaws is when I have to tackle something outside of my element, like making something seem as though it came from the eighties, I always fight so hard to not make any modern type of additions to it. It's hard, for me at least, to just detach and make something for what it's supposed to be and not what I'm capable of. If that makes any sense.

Very good job.
Fat Elvis
5 years ago
Watched it three times in a row just to take in the sheer skill involved in it. That works on every level, it made me smile with giddy joy and excitement. The detail in replicating those old titling techniques is faultless. Well done Andrew.
5 years ago
Hmmm, Observers are here...
Maybe JJ Adams is involved or knows something about people who are watching us...from above...

Just saying...
Andrew
5 years ago
ah man I remember that show, so underrated it got canceled before it's time :P

Great work, stylistically I think i prefer the retro version
5 years ago
Genius. Pure genius (the 80's version, that is. The contemporary one is merely awesome.)
Jack Howard
5 years ago
P.S:

Sorry if I've given the game away in some way, haha
Jack Howard
5 years ago
Hey Andrew,

Just noticed something on the original intro (the non-1985 one), as the "SUSPENDED ANIMATION" slide transitions to the "DARK MATTER" slide, for a frame or two, text saying "OBSERVERS ARE HERE" appears.

Just wondering, your own personal touch or did Abrams want you to put that in? (Subliminal Message maybe?)
5 years ago
Big fan since the begining of VC. Excellent work Andrew !
"Two thumbs up" (like in the old days)
5 years ago
I thought that was so Choice!
5 years ago
Yeah, that intro definitely looks ATARI-ish. Great job. the music fits it perfectly. I love Fringe. To me, it is like the next style of X-Files type shows. Last night's episode was cool as well. I can see Andrew's signature video work all over it.
Anthony
5 years ago
Awe man that was simply savage.

Any news on that idea for a second Riot Gear????
5 years ago
I love it *_____*
5 years ago
WOW
OMG
frankly that just blew my mind
a tutorial on how to make that liquid thingy at the start and the smoke that come around it and hw u have made the Fringe text come together would be soo great.
Once a again brilliant Andrew just dazzling.
5 years ago
I was born in 85 and I approve of that intro :D
Roel Hilltop
5 years ago
You are genius.
5 years ago
Looks absolutely outstanding!
5 years ago
Great job! I want too to can this awesome stuff...
Niall
5 years ago
Perfect....LOVE the music too
melle
5 years ago
That was awesome. Really. There wer so many elemnts in it, that remind one of older styles. simply WOW.
5 years ago
In 1985 I was 13 years old, playing Atari, sitting with a cassetterecorder recording rap music from the radio drawing monsters with a pencil, using q-tips to smoothen out the picture making it look more realistic, watching the Cosby Show on a small tv with an antenna you have to pull out.

Now I'm 37, Editing video with AE & Pr , sitting with my CDJ-1000 behind me playing mp3's I downloaded from Beatport.
Having a PS3 with 5.1 Surround and cinema chairs on a LCD TV. Even with all this technology, the feeling is still the same, just more advanced.
John U
5 years ago
Hey Andrew,
Pardon me if this has already been suggested.
A new Videocopilot t-shirt:

ON THE FIRST DAY GOD CREATED A SOLID
AND SAW THAT IT WAS GOOD

THEN HE APPLIED OPTICAL FLARES
AND GRINNED FOR HE SAW THAT IT WAS BETTER




...or maybe just the first line
...its a work in progress
JU
5 years ago
I'm a huge fan of the show!
The original is amazing and the retro intro you did blew my mind lol It's pretty cool!!
5 years ago
Andrew that came out great! I love the retro feel! :D
Josh
5 years ago
Cool Indeed.

@Andre
What do you mean Crappy? This is one of the best AE sites around but YES, he made the original intro and the title credits for the new star trek as well... He does a lot of professional work but for some reason doesn't talk about it that much on the blog.
5 years ago
Hah! Great job on the jerky optical printer motion too dude. Well done.
5 years ago
Iam still a big fan of FRINGE, Walter is the most intresting charecters i'v ever seen. Science and human anatomy are things beyond cool, I hope that we can get more tutorials related to some VFX been done in FRINGE.
pvsciteach
5 years ago
I didn't realize that "RADICAL" was trademarked. Damn you Spicolli(spelling?)!!! I loved the Tron-ish rectangular lines and the 80's power drums!
Great stuff Andrew! Thanks for everything!
Andre
5 years ago
srry for double post but... you did the original intro too!? I just thought that you only did the retro version. god, a primetime show with an intro from a guy from a crappy site, haha!...

...or is it?

well, not crappy anymore! nice too see all your work has paid off. dont get me wrong, i think you've done a great job so far, but this is something so much more palpable... i'm dazed... :S
Miguel Gomes
5 years ago
Great stuff. Would love to see a little heads up on the part with all those lines on second 30. What are those?
Matt Hudson
5 years ago
The edited music is a very slight change, but makes a lot of difference. Excellent work as always Andrew.
Richard
5 years ago
brilliant, amazing i was also wondering if you could make a simpler version for tutorial perposes that would be awsome! :)
Andre
5 years ago
i think the best in the whole thing was the music. it just fits so well. and i also lol'd a bit at the "personal computing" innovation. xD
great work as usual, keep up andrew!
Sam I
5 years ago
Amazing work! Looks like you plucked it straight from the 80's tree itself. I like you
Jordan H
5 years ago
So perfect, Can't imagine any part of that sequence needing to change. I would love to see some "retro" tutorials.
5 years ago
I wish I had your job =)
Jonathan
5 years ago
Made me laugh. Nice job (on the sequence *and* making me laugh).
Sergio Jr
5 years ago
Incredible! I've loved.. Is Optical Flares Plugin on Light Effect? xD
5 years ago
I almost started breakdancing
5 years ago
great as usual... reminds me to do more composing... cheers
5 years ago
That was dope . I actually just saw the episode this morning on Hulu and tripped back to my Sophomore year in High School with the "Way-back machine" style of the '85 titles
Michael
5 years ago
Awesome... you did a great job as always. The best visual part is the skeleton hand becoming a regular hand. These colors look so old (in a positive way). I really bought it is from the 80's. And the remixed Theme is just great. I wanted to go into the garage and pick my old atari again. hmmm... maybe i should..
michael off
5 years ago
haha, that's awesome
Bo
5 years ago
ha good stuff. no doubt that was a challenge. That's an interesting thing to need to create/capture the essence of. =)
J.C. Jennings
5 years ago
Was quickly looking all around the web to see if you had been asked to do this after watching the show last night. Thanks for posting to let us know.
Teksetta
5 years ago
I remember when 8mbs of RAM cost $500 bucks for my dad's Mac SE 30 back in 1985. And before Adobe Flash or After Effects, you had Hyper Card.
Geyck
5 years ago
Nice I like the "old school" new technology notes. I don't know, The 3d Fringe looks to clean at times.
Funny stuff!
Dave
5 years ago
Nice dude! Task accomplished.
5 years ago
lol ! that is funny !
dio
5 years ago
STUPENDOUS! BIG LOVE from BANDUNG, INDONESIA!
Geyck
5 years ago
Common! Load! I wanna see it!
5 years ago
I loved that title sequence. Awesome work.
5 years ago
and yeessssss... that was supeeeer.. I have watched it, loved so much.. what can I say? perfect!.. almost I would cry ;)
Ron in Calgary
5 years ago
Stunning work as usual !
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