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Red Giant 3D stroke & Element 3D

PostPosted: 06/15/2019, 6:13 pm
by stefancargoski
Hi forum.

I'd like to know, if there is a way to connect 3D stroke (RedGiant plugin) with element 3D? I've tried with the pick whip to connect Element 3D properties, position, opacity, to 3D stroke but nothing seems to be happening.

Thank you.

Re: Red Giant 3D stroke & Element 3D

PostPosted: 06/16/2019, 12:47 am
by star+circle
It is possible to connect just about anything to anything in AE, but you have to make sure that the number of dimensions are the same (actually AE does even that automatically in many cases with the pick whip), and that you connect to a property that actually changes over time if you want the connected property to change in sync. Also, you may need to scale the values to be in a suitable range for the target property. Some may be in the range of 0-1 while other may needs to be in the range of hundreds or thousands.

Re: Red Giant 3D stroke & Element 3D

PostPosted: 06/16/2019, 2:32 am
by stefancargoski
Hi Circle, thanks for the reply.

I'll post an example soon, I'm currently trying to work it out ( Busting my head over this)!
I hope it can be achieved without a tedious task. I'm sure it's an ordinary technique, but I'm trying to push my limits to incorporate more design
features on a experimental design.

Re: Red Giant 3D stroke & Element 3D

PostPosted: 06/16/2019, 3:26 am
by stefancargoski
Ok, So I'm going in circles not achieving anything....Tried various techniques hunt for solution on YT but nothing to find a suitable solution.

I've attached a sample clip, (only 1,MB). So as seen the rectangles fly in the scene, and I'm trying to use Redgiant 3D Stroke.
But the strokes are not able to follow element 3D rectangle shapes accordingly. So as the rectangles glide, Im trying to make the strokes follow the perimeter of the rectangles.

And Also attached a file example of how the 3d Stroke would look if it followed element 3D moving rectangles.

https://streamable.com/yalat

Re: Red Giant 3D stroke & Element 3D

PostPosted: 06/16/2019, 7:44 pm
by JPT7505
Why not just draw the lines yourself, animate with a radial wipe, make the layer 3d and attach that to element.

Re: Red Giant 3D stroke & Element 3D

PostPosted: 06/17/2019, 2:07 am
by stefancargoski
Hi, thanks for the response.

I tried following your instructions. But have the following issues occurring.

When the layer with the line(RED) is turned to 3D, it doesnt animate.
I tried pick whipping the layer with Element 3D, it's not animating either.

Can you see some mistake in the screenshot? is this how your instructions are meant to look?

Thanks.

Re: Red Giant 3D stroke & Element 3D

PostPosted: 06/17/2019, 5:41 pm
by JPT7505
Precomp it and you don't pick whip to element layer. The layer itself shouldn't be animated, the model within element should be. So create either a master null for element or a null for the respective group you want it to follow. Then attach to that null

Re: Red Giant 3D stroke & Element 3D

PostPosted: 06/17/2019, 11:26 pm
by star+circle
As JPT7505 says, linking to the Element layer directly will do nothing. That is because the layer itself is not moving. The Element 3D objects within it or the camera is.

I would think it would be easier to move the camera in this instance. But if you're aiming for something more complex, you will need group nulls to animate both the objects in Element 3D and the same shapes created with 3D stroke. This is somewhat limited in that you can easily do just 10 objects that way. You CAN do more, but that's a bit complex for starters. "Unified render" would be the keyword if you want to look into that. https://www.videocopilot.net/docs/eleme ... ed_render/

Re: Red Giant 3D stroke & Element 3D

PostPosted: 06/18/2019, 1:03 am
by stefancargoski
Hi guys.

I incorporated all your suggestions together, And finally it worked out. One thing was ruining believe it or not the whole scene, making the red lines (radial wipe) which are indicated in the red rectangle, world position XY world position Z. removing the XYZ of element 3D world position, made the red lines follow the 3D object perfectly and all I did was add the camera>null object, the red lines and the 3D shapes followed accordingly.

Sample seen below.

Thanks again for your help guys!

https://streamable.com/jhi5b

Re: Red Giant 3D stroke & Element 3D

PostPosted: 06/18/2019, 1:05 am
by stefancargoski
Here's a screen shot: