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Looking for computer purchase advice.

PostPosted: 01/25/2017, 12:39 pm
by trollsong
Technically I could probably upgrade my current pc as my current stats arent too bad I suppose
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.4GHz
8192MB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti

But honestly it probably needs a complete reformat and fresh install because I tend to be cruel to my pcs, so I figured maybe it is better to have a completely separate pc just for things like adobe creative suite and hopefully at some point Cinema 4d.

My budget is around 1300 give or take as that is my tax refund (though my birthday just pat and some family are agonizing over what to get me so I may be able to convince them funding this computer would be a great gift.

Anyways I havent built a computer in a long time so I am not sure what to look for, if I should even try building my own, and if I dont what company would be good to go through.

So yes, help me build a computer for around 1300 give or take a couple hundred, Because right now after effects and illustrator make my poor computer scream in pain.

Re: Looking for computer purchase advice.

PostPosted: 01/26/2017, 11:53 am
by Farmfield
I think building a computer to match the performance you have now would easily exceed the $1300 budget... It just hasn't happened that much on the performance side unless you jump onto 8-10 core CPU's and those start at $1000 for the CPU alone... :?

Edit: Just checked and the 3770K is the fastest CPU available on the LGA1155 socket, so upgrading your old box will be tricky as well... You might wanna go for used parts with this budget - I actually did this last fall, building a pretty crazy workstation out of (mostly-) used server parts... There's a build log of sorts (including an absolute $h!tload of off topic ramblings) in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=127242

Re: Looking for computer purchase advice.

PostPosted: 01/26/2017, 9:40 pm
by trollsong
I was also thinking this pc, it is a bit more at 1579 that I found on Maingear.

Motherboard: ASUS H110M-A (no overclocking)
Processor: Intel® CoreT i7 7700 3.6GHz/4.2GHz Turbo QUAD Core CPU w/ Hyperthreading 8MB L3 Cache
Memory: 32GB HyperX® FURYT DDR4- 2666 (4x8GB) [Dual Channel]
Graphics Card: NVIDIA® GeForceT GTX 1060 3GB GDDR5 with G-Sync [TUN ED FOR VR ]
Power Supply: 500W EVGA® 80 Plus Certified PSU
Operating System Drive: [SSD] 500GB Samsung® 850 EVO [520MB/s Sequential Reads][ FREE GAME - Watch Dogs 2] - Holiday Deal!
Optical Drive Two: 8X Asus® DVD Burner External USB 2.0
Audio: On Board High Definition 8-Channel Audio
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit

Re: Looking for computer purchase advice.

PostPosted: 01/27/2017, 4:20 am
by Farmfield
Aah, ok, I really didn't think that you could build a box like this at that price, it'll give you an additional 25-30% performance compared to your old one.

Though I really would advise investing in a K model + a good cooler + mainboard with one-click overclocking functionality. With a $50 cooler you can get another 25% performance without any hassle, using the one click overclock available in most BIOS'es today and. I ran both my 3770K and 4790K CPUs for years using one-click overclocking and never had any issues whatsoever.

I would also advise buying a mainboard with at least one m.2 slot. Nothing increases performance for compositing as fast i/o and using something like a Samsung 950 m.2 drive for caching and/or for current project files makes one hell of a difference - I know as I use two 950 drives for that purpose though I boot from a Samsung 850 Pro on Sata.

The last tip is, if your mainboard only have 4 RAM slots, buying 2x 16Gb instead of 4x 8Gb, using all slots - because it'll make it way cheaper upgrading the RAM down the line - and you can never have too much RAM. :D

Re: Looking for computer purchase advice.

PostPosted: 01/27/2017, 5:44 am
by trollsong
It looks like the reason is , there is a 300 dollar off holiday sale so I will probably get it soon.
I assume by k model you mean the processor, cause good those are only 50 more. so 7700k
with closed loop liquid cooling, do I actually need t replace water in them, sorry if this is a dumb question I have never had a liquid cooled pc before.
as for mother boards my options are MOTHERBOARD

ASUS H110M-A (no overclocking)

MSI Z270 PC Mate ( non SLI )
- Add $80.00

Asus Strix Z270H
- Add $160.00

MSI Z270 Gaming M7
- Add $220.00

MSI Xpower Titanium Z270
- Add $295.00

Re: Looking for computer purchase advice.

PostPosted: 01/27/2017, 5:53 am
by Farmfield
trollsong wrote:Asus Strix Z270H
- Add $160.00

MSI Z270 Gaming M7
- Add $220.00

One of these, both have 2 m.2 slots each, that's awesome. I run both my Samsung 950 on PCIe adapters, thus loosing performance compared to running them on m.2 slots that will yield full i/o speeds, basically ~2 Gb/sec reads, ~1 Gb/sec writes. G i g a b y t e s, so friggin crazy... :D

And I'm very fond of MSI boards but seeing there aren't much difference between these, I'd never pay another $60 for the MSI board, that's crazy, I'd go for the Asus. And I run an Asus board now, it's also a great brand - I just prefer the MSI BIO before the Asus BIOS, but that's just my personal preference, nothing else.

Re: Looking for computer purchase advice.

PostPosted: 01/29/2017, 11:16 am
by trollsong
last question hopefully lol
I am at 1997 dollars right now....ha over budget woot.
anyways if I get it to 2000 I get free shipping.
Trying to decide to splurge abit and get an m.2 ssd or upgrade my graphics card to 6 gb from 3 gb(other then that the same card.)

Or yknow just select better thermal interface material for 25 bucks and upgrade the rest later.

Re: Looking for computer purchase advice.

PostPosted: 01/29/2017, 11:24 am
by Farmfield
M.2 drive, for sure. VRAM is only relevant to GPU rendering and even there they are trying to remove renderers VRAM limitations, Redshift, as an example, already have.

And in regard to compositing, nothing beats fast i/o for footage and caching, possible with the exception of RAM, if you work with heavy footage...

Re: Looking for computer purchase advice.

PostPosted: 01/29/2017, 5:56 pm
by trollsong
lol I thought of one last question.
would one ssd drive be enough to start, i worry about how much space windows 10 and all of it's crap will take.
I'll be adding more drives later but was wondering if one is enough to start and be fine.

Re: Looking for computer purchase advice.

PostPosted: 01/29/2017, 6:02 pm
by Farmfield
Only you know how much space you need, but running different SSDs for system, caching, footage, etc, will make quite a difference for performance. :)

But no need to buy everything at once of course.