TUTORIALS FOR VFX & MOTION GRAPHICS
Free After Effects Tutorials & More Hosted By: Andrew Kramer
September 25, 2007
• Create 3D text with a seamless bg in 3ds Max
• Use a skylight to generate soft shadows
 
TUTORIAL NOTES:
This is just a supplemental tutorial while I work on a new one for AE+Max. Notice the numbering. Remember you do not need to change 3D applications, you can easily follow along with most any mainstream 3D software. I don't even have a place for 3D tutorials... yet.
Running Time: 13mins.


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by heilong79 11/12/2009
go to mtl editor then go open and load a new lib, when selecting go to your c drive (not the setups you have in my documents) and find the autodesk folder, then find materiallibraries folder and load the 3dmax one. Thats it.
by Josh 10/11/2009
This was a realy helpful tutorial, My friends recommended it. Thanks again
by Morten Frol 09/17/2009
Hey Andrew!

I was watching your tutorial and I love it, I got a nice finished product and I am very happy about it. But, one thing; I am also an active Photosghop user, so I would really like to render my outcome WITH shadows (using skylight as in the tytorial) and WITHOUT any kind of background. So the final render will be just the text and the shadows added, so I can put the render into any background color in Photoshop. But how can I do that? I render the file without a 'plane' but all I get is a black background and no shadows. Any help would be nice!
And again, thanks so much for this great tutorial!

Frol
by John Sparies 09/11/2009
Great tutorial ,
I bought 3ds Max because Andrew is the man and I want to make good videos also ,
but I Was Wondering if Maya or any other program is needed for making 3d stuff . Ive Read The Website stuff but what does Maya do that 3ds max doesn't do??? ?? ?
ill Take Help From Anyone !
Jspraya@sbcglobal.net
or just Jspraya on You Tube
by Sascha//GER 09/08/2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm-STdbAdLw
=he shows you how to make your own chrome material^^
by Muhammad imran 09/05/2009
Thanks for tutorials my belong to not english contry but i enjoy the tutorials thank for videocopilot
by David Johnson 08/14/2009
fady u can search on yt how to get a chrome effect thats what i did
by David Johnson 08/13/2009
after following render settings and render it just rendered like 30 pic of the cam looking right at it help plz
by fady 06/27/2009
same problem with u patrick..
I have 3D MAX 2009, can't find my material library anywhere :(

both files are empty :(

what can i do? any sugestions plsss???
by Matt 06/24/2009
Er should be,

Copy them all and paste them into the other folder in My Documents.
by Matt 06/24/2009
Patrick,

Go to My Documents and look for the folder 3ds Max. There should be a 'materiallibraries' folder inside it. If there's nothing in it, go into your 3ds max folder (Usually C:\Program Files\Autodesk\3ds max 200X) and look for 'materiallibraries' again.

There should be a bunch of mat files in there. Copy them all past them into the other folder in My Documents.
by Patrick 06/22/2009
umm, i don't have a materials library for some reason. i do, but there is nothing in it. anyone know what's up?
by Olavo Ekman 06/17/2009
Hey Andrew, nice work on the tutorials... Let me give you a simple hint for 3DS Max... Anytime you wanna edit one or more objects without clicking others by mistake, you can isolate them by selecting the objects you wanna edit and pressing Alt Q . Then you enter "Isolation Mode" and the viewports will only show your selected objetcts...
by Diegomitai 05/21/2009
esta gente es increible...
exelente trabajo!!...
(comentar o votar es agradecer)
by PowerTurkish 05/19/2009
Hey Andrew, I have a problem. I followed this tutorial and I also have 3DSMax. But till the place where you were working with the Materials (3DSMax) stuff, I haven't anything (Material) in my Material Library. How come?

Hope you can help me out ;D Greetings PowerTurkish from YouTube!
by Vicente 05/16/2009
Hi. I Like this tutorial for 3Ds max...
I Have a problem, I don't have materials in my library... Need materials please
Thanks... Bye
by dhillon 05/10/2009
WE WANT MORE 3DS MAX Tutorials!!!!!!!
by Rocky 05/10/2009
Thanx mr.Andrew Cramer 4 your effort.......you are our only hope in AE.
by Vijay 04/30/2009
Wow i cant file the chrome material thing.in there's noting in that list
by Duyan 04/11/2009
Greate tutorial!! Thanks so much!!
by jaags 04/01/2009
i Feel very much great this tuts really urs donning verry truly job. pless send more projects tutorils .<:
by Ante 03/17/2009
i don't have metal_chrome.....does enyone know's where to find it?
by conor 03/07/2009
yo lovely tutorial but i have a slight problem whe im using my 3ds max the way you can move a object you have made any way (X,Y,Z axis) and like twist it on its side and stuff like that well i can only move mine x and y so side to side ot twirl it around with the "select and rotate" tool please i need help it doing my head in
by Josh 02/20/2009
Thank you for this tut. Helped me out a lot.
by Rhaven 02/11/2009
SIMPLE...but has the "watch this" factor... SIMPLY AMAZING...
by Zifeng 02/03/2009
Wonderful day!
by Astyanax 01/25/2009
TNX!
just wat I needed :)
by shami 01/06/2009
Hello Friend, This helped me alot in my 3d career.
Please post more simple tutorials like this related to only motion graphics. Basically i am After effects user and do motion graphics so want to learn 3d max to enhance my graphics in after effects.
Love u alot
Shami
by osn 12/20/2008
ur tutorials are the best!

can u make softimage xsi tutorials?
by Emil Clausen 12/03/2008
Hey Andrew!
im a big fan of Videocopilot.net
Specially because of the Tutorials.
Im so glad for your guides and you are good to guide me through! keep making tutorials! you are PROFFESSIONEL!

Greetings from Denmark!
5/5* of tutorials.

- The best site in Video editing, WORLD WIDE!
by none 11/26/2008
Where did you get the chrome texture?
Does it come with 3ds max?
If it does, does it only come with the full version and not the trial?
by ja hyuk shin 11/21/2008
thanke man
???? ?????...
korea
by Rishi 11/19/2008
You are amazing.........
by Surin 11/14/2008
Thanks man its soooo cool i like your site and your tutorials.thank you andrew.
by Dogger 11/14/2008
:( I havent any materials in mtl library...
by Jersy 10/28/2008
i dont have any material in MTL where can i find it
by matryl1 10/22/2008
I haven't materials in MTL. I can't instal materials in website. PLis help.
by FI 10/18/2008
Andrew, you rock!!!
by Heng Sotheanith 10/18/2008
Thank you for sample project and video
by Pixel Industries 10/16/2008
Hi Andrew,
In your tutorial there isn't any informations about Filter Antialiasing in 3D Max...
I think that you apply to Render a Video Filter..
It's right?
by Raewyn 10/13/2008
hei andrew, thanks for the tutorial.. pretty cool..
what are the best plug in for 3DS MAX?? uhmm.. dont have any idea... hahaha.. LOL
by Govinder 10/11/2008
Hi, I am running 3DSmax 9 however, I do not have all the materials in my "My library", can anyone help?
by Manny Campa 10/06/2008
I am new to 3ds max and this tutorial was very easy to follow along to... I learned a lot... thanks so much
by beck 09/18/2008
Thank you Sir for this tutorial...i hope you could have more 3ds Max tutorials..
by Damian 09/15/2008
Hi!I'm Damian. I like the film effects. I doing them for fun in After Effects Of course. I'm from Poland. I have a question. Do you can send me some 3d materials? My e-mail:terminator.b12@wp.pl
Thanks a milion!
by Farooq Shaikh 09/05/2008
Hmmm It is really nice because i m motion graphic artist and its imagin for me. Thanks Andrew
by someone 08/29/2008
hey andrew, i have 3ds 9 max but i dont see my tools pallete on the left. can someone help me please?
by SKY 08/19/2008
how can i get a metal chrome file

? :(
by Muhammed HALICI 08/13/2008
Really very very good.
Thank you.
by Harry 08/08/2008
You are the best!!! ;))
by Yousof 08/05/2008
Really good
Thank you Andrew
by Smantik 08/05/2008
Wow!!!
It's a great idea to include 3DSMax in the project!!!!
Go on!!
(We want some more...)
by yos 08/05/2008
how can i get a metal chrome file???
by Shehabart 07/26/2008
that's very cool for AE
by Shehabart 07/26/2008
that's very cool for AE
by Abdul khalil 07/16/2008
wow wonderful thanks
by jerome lewis 06/30/2008
Hey Andrew:)
i was in the middle of the tutorial and when you went to your presets for the metal...i had nothing.. so my question is..where can i find the presets that you have in your library?
by leopard 06/23/2008
Quá ổn(Việt Nam nha)
by Thiago Alexandre 06/12/2008
Really good !
by 008 06/08/2008
It would be great if you did some more 3ds max tutorials because I can't seem to find them anywere
by kingbilal 05/27/2008
Very nice render.i'm a fans too
by MACFANS 05/23/2008
So cool! Thinks!
I'm your fans .A Real fans!
by 0583257 05/20/2008
hey andrew nice tutorial. i'd be looking forward to see some Blender support for us no-budget people who have to work with cracked versions of AE. and also some more complex stuff like tracking 3d in a live plate.
583257
by DaaEnD 05/19/2008
Thanks man
by derkaoui849 05/19/2008
thanks for the tutorial
by alex 05/16/2008
Cómo hacemos para crear un texto en 3D en After Effects (How can we create a 3D text in After Effects?). Thank you.
by Tyler 05/07/2008
Thanks man! I watched one tutorial and bought like 400 bucks worth of your stuff!! Keep it up!!
by Jun 05/01/2008
tnx! awesome..!
by Brivan 04/10/2008
Nice.... Its good for the start..
by s.ganesh 04/06/2008
thanks
by Ruben 04/01/2008
Hello Andrew!

You are doing a great job but there is something wrong with my Materil Library. It´s all empty. I have checked the folder several times but there are nothing in there. Do you know how to "fix" that?
by Leo 03/26/2008
Thanks Andrew, it was great........
by Leo 03/26/2008
Thanks Andrew, it was great........
by Revaivel 03/21/2008
Maybe a dumb question from a 15 year old dutch kid, but how do I move my camera in 3ds max?
by Peter 03/08/2008
Can anyone recommend a site that has 3ds max tutorials that is as fun and informative as videocopilot?
by Mazen zerki 03/07/2008
Thanks andrew for all you tutorial and i hope you start learning us or bigin to make 3dmax tutorial or maya
Thanks alot
by Chineseman 03/03/2008
Who give me videocopilot presets?
I only have 。。。。。。。。
by Anonymous 02/29/2008
Awesome tutorial!
First time 3DSM user here and this was perfect to begin with.

All hail the allmighty A.K.!
by jorge 02/07/2008
Nice job!
by michael 02/06/2008
awesome tutorial, ive been craving to learn 3ds max for a long time so this is really helpful. I'd love to buy your products but Im only a kid.
by Raul FLores 02/05/2008
ta bien bacan, solo que no se puede ver por culpa del chino
by Raul FLores 02/05/2008
ta bien bacan, solo que no se puede ver por culpa del chino
by monntara mike 02/02/2008
Fantastic Tutorial. Been trying to get started with 3ds Max but have been getting frustrated and confused with other tutorials. Your tutorial was so easy to follow and now I am more comfortable and ready to try other things.

thanks a million... well maybe a thousand.

Mike
by kumaresan 02/01/2008
hello

i am kumaresan working buy.........
by Joseph Prince 01/27/2008
It is very very usefull and highly detailed and amazing out put.

Looking forward lot from you.

Thanking You.
by jaythesolitaris 01/26/2008
amazing lol may the France be with you...euh may the force be with you
by Russell 01/15/2008
3ds Max and After Effects! This is going to sound girly, but... you're my hero man.
by After effects dude! 01/06/2008
Hi Andrew Kramer! I like putting 3d in movies. Like space ships and that kind of stuff. But can you make a tutorial about how to create a scene of (for exampel) sam entering a 3d space ship and fly away?
usefull for star wars fanfilms.

oh and by the way. I'm saving to buy after effects cs3 and is it better than 7.0? And what's new in it?
(Is 3dstudio max free? And where can i get it?)

Greetings from sweden. YOU ROCK!!!
by sab3r 01/03/2008
The best tutorials ever!!
by Jin 12/27/2007
hey andrew, thx for sharing ur experience...greating from china~

cheers!
by Ivan 12/27/2007
Thanks man
by juan 12/26/2007
simplemente exelente
by segun 12/17/2007
please send me more tutorials to feel your product
by Gyorfi 12/12/2007
Hello

I used 3dsmax to make a simple box with a texture(picture on it) I export the file in .3DS format and after that I import it in AE using zaxwerks.

The problem: the texture is not visible on the box. what should I do?

by the way you are superb, thanks to you I learned after effects and now I can make money home at my PC.

Thanks:)
by Philippe 12/11/2007
For some reasons, my render is much much noisier then yours and it also takes more time to render, even with the same setting. I'm using a dual Xeon PC, and usually my render a pretty quick in 3ds max... Can anyone help?
by stephan 12/08/2007
WE WANT MORE 3DS MAX!!

by d2dak 12/08/2007
brilliant!! would u be able to create more 3ds max tutorials??dat would be class!!
by mediaboy 12/07/2007
Excellent tutorial, as always. Been using max for 6 years now but it's good to see the tutorial.

max absolutely rules. Hands down.
by Allan Samayoa 12/07/2007
GREAT! not just this tutorial, all of them are great!i don't know what to say, i doesn't even speak english, jajaja i speak spanish. men, Thanks
by da_hedgehog 12/04/2007
Thank you very very much !!!
by John 12/01/2007
Great tutorial :) but I had a problem, I did neither have Metal Chrome in my liberary or in my documents... I have tried to find a link for the material, but can't find it :(
by rockwell 11/26/2007
to mr. brainy,

hahaha! i like it! next time teach me how to creat a monster. focus more on how to apply good skin.

thank you!

rockwell
by You rock 11/18/2007
I really enjoyed it as I'm a 3DSMax user myself. I'm still on 5.1 but would soon move to the newer version is you kept coming with tutorials. I have heard many sing the praises of Cinema4D and have dreaded thinking about going to another 3D app.

Any ideas for learning 3DS Max better.

I really appreciated this tutorial.
by Wolfgang / Germany 11/15/2007
Pretty good stuff!!
by ZHM 11/15/2007
Though i'm not in a English-speaking country
still appreciate your great tutorial
by Soloman 11/14/2007
Maya wins.
by sneakybunny 11/13/2007
keep the 3d max & motion graphics coming
by randy 11/09/2007
wow i liked it i kinda messed it up at the end
going to redo it

btw how are you moving the 3d objects around?

by afolabi 11/02/2007
i am a first timer on this but i think this looks great.
by gase 11/01/2007
Man you are the best of the best !!
I see you are good in 3D max. So can you show us more magic of 3D max with AE pleese !
regards
by andré. 10/30/2007
Hello!
I can't tell how much you've helped me in After Effects. I even think it was you that made me start using After Effects. You're tutorials are so great, and I really hope make more tutorials to 3DS Max, so I might start using it too.

Have a great life, mate!
by oc3 10/25/2007
cool stuff!!! man you do know what your doing looking forward to more cinema4 and 3dmax tutorials. thanks much!!!
by KN 10/21/2007
Thanks Andrew......Tanks for shairing your knowledge...Kheyli Nokaretam
by goran 10/20/2007
hi andrw very goodddddddddddddd
by SN 10/17/2007
To khob hasti javooon ... Damet Garm :D ;)
by CyberPygmee 10/17/2007
Thanks a lot yours tuts are really helpful hope to see more tuts for 3D MaX....
by Khalat 10/16/2007
Thanks Andrew ..
You are genius .
by homod 10/15/2007
.. thanks a loooooooot
I am so glad for using 3ds max in your tutorials ..
by homod 10/15/2007
.. thanks a loooooooot
I am so glad for using 3ds max in your tutorials ..
by kenneth 10/15/2007
how do i turn my 3dtext done in 3dmax into avi but not with black background only the 3dtext with animation then import in after effects 7, tnx a lot mr kramer
by kenneth 10/14/2007
here's my email add mr kramer ken_hofner@yahoo.com God bless to you and to your family and to your new born angel
by kenneth 10/14/2007
im having a problem with my 3d max material library
im doing a project and i want to put a design on my 3d text, i want it to have a metal chrome attributes but the problem is i don't have it in my material library is it really like that or do i have to install it from dvd installer or is it a plugin??? can't w8 to see ur reply mr kramer, tnx a lot ur the best god of visual graphic
by kenneth 10/12/2007
hey mr kramer i really love your tutorials, im kenneth from philippines late bloomer in multimedia but now i can say im coping and gone far away bcoz of your tutorials, i was able to understand those tools in after fx and now enjoying ur max tutorials tnx a lot im a big fan of yours, i hope you still have more on 3ds max God bless
by Melon 10/11/2007
Please add more 3d Max utorials
by Enasni 10/09/2007
Andrew you rock (Y)

but i have a problem with 3ds max
i have this movie from 3ds max but the background is gray.. how can i get it transparant?? so that i can import it in ae??

greetz (Y) (holland)
by Paul 10/08/2007
Hi Andrew, Great Tut.

How were you panning the object so quickly like rotating it and moving it etc... i know the shortcuts in photoshop and after fx, how sis you do this in MAX? i ve tried finding it al over the place....
by Jean 10/08/2007
thanks~ Andrew (:
but, i don't have the Chrome material, do you know where I can find it?
by roger 10/07/2007
waoo andrew, you really rock it .. keeep up the good work ...i'm learning a lot from you
by massi 10/06/2007
>-( a great$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
by Pekines 10/05/2007
Hi Andrew!!! make a tutorial mixing 3D studio & AE
by Serife 10/05/2007
so great!!!
by nanman 10/05/2007
Andrew~!
always thanks~
by Paul 10/04/2007
Well Done Andrew on the 3d tutorials. The site is going from strength to strength.
by mike 10/03/2007
Hi Andrew!..make a tutorial with maya please, something whit maya, it'a a powerfull program for cinema effects
by Agem Ryans 10/02/2007
47.5. 3D Text in 3DS Max

47 starts with 5 where are 1 to 4
by Ely DeRoss 10/01/2007
hi, I like after effects tutorials, you are a great!, but if you want releas 3D tutorials i would lik MAYA, ithink you are made for After Effects!
by Alfred 09/30/2007

Thanks for Coming to my Zone.
For me,
3DMax+Ae=Unlimited
Thanks,
Hope forward to seeing more
by vlady oliver 09/29/2007
Congratulations, Andrew !!! Welcome to the Max world, my friend. You´ll can see in www.vladyoliver.com the results of six years of jobs with AE and Max together !!! They´re simple the best... I suggest this in your lesson: hide the base plane, go to Render ( F10 ), choose Render Elements Folder > Add > Specular. Max will be render another sequence that you can use in After Effects. Open this sequence in AE, choose screen, add glow it and you will take a photo-realistic effect over there. Try it !!! Regards.
by Jonny 09/29/2007
Very nice, 3DS max looked difficult to me, you make it so much easier to understand!
by Max Chebykin 09/29/2007
Hey, good lesson!!! Can you create much lessons fo 3d's max, becourse it's cool programm like Adobe After Effects!!!
by Goldskin 09/29/2007
that's ok, thank you guy
by Goldskin 09/29/2007
Hey Andrew, i have problem with light/render
look the screen, i have some grain

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4852/problem3dsmmo5.jpg

It's a french version but, there are same effects
Do you have any idea ?
by meisam 09/29/2007
so great!
by wingdezigns 09/28/2007
thanks for the tutorial andrew!!!!!

want to see more of your 3d tutorials!
by Burak Turan 09/28/2007
Thanks Andrew Kramer
http://www.designkivilcim.com/3dmax
by Eliot 09/28/2007
>-(So Cool!

This is sweet for stuff like the Hot Fuzz Titles!
I love that movie.

Thanks Andrew! This is awesome!

Eliot
by steven andrew 09/28/2007
This is very good. I enjoy all your tutorials.

My question falls along the line of combining the topics from this tutorial and something like the set extension tutorial.

I am looking to see how to export motion tracking data into a program like 3ds (i am moderately familiar with this 3d software as well) and assign it to a camera and then render out your computer generated subject/scene/objects and then add them to your original plates in After Effects to composite a cohesive, believable scene.

I am a little perplexed in how to get the data to integrate back and forth. Is this even possible?

Would it be possible to request a tutorial illustrating a 3d object composited into some video plates? (preferably hand held footage)

Whatever the case. I am finding all your work here very informative and useful beyond measure.

Thank you for all that you are doing.
by Nikolay Kolev 09/28/2007
excellent tutorial i just wanna thank u
by Jeff 09/28/2007
thanks :}
by fuad miftari 09/28/2007
Hello Andrew!

It is good. and do not worry if you use maya or 3d max, I personally use maya, but both of them are highend 3D software produced by autodesk. You must have talent, because if you miss this, even if you have the best computer and best software you cant do anything. And i think you have talent so just cotinue using both techinques 2D and 3D.
If my english is bad, sorry for that.
by Zozo 09/28/2007
Keep the Max tutorials coming Andrew!

Bad anecdotes too WE LOVE THEM
by Tom Miller 09/28/2007
Hey,

Cool Tutorial, but the Problem is that you cant use it anywhere in Europe, the standart here is Maya, and I think it wont be so hard for you pro Guy to make some Tutorials (the next ones..) in that Programm

Cheers

Tom
by Nicolas Alary 09/27/2007
Thank you for this excellent tutorial ! I just have a little problem, I don't have the Chrome material, do you know where I can find it ? I did a serious search on Google but nothing came up ! Thank you again !
by DSW 09/27/2007
Andrew. Awesome tutorial. I've been hoping you would do this one for months and it just arrived. Xmas comes early! BTW your new site rocks. All the training and everything you are doing is unparalleled anywhere on the net in terms of ease of use, clarity of instruction and real world usability. Thanks for everything.
by franz 09/27/2007
nuy bueno este tutorial
by Breyon 09/27/2007
Hey Andrew and Max Users,

For those people who don't think Max and AE flow together, "YOUR CRAZY"! If you want to integrate camera data, lights, and other resources from 3DS Max into AE, there is a plug-in called "Max2AE" by Boomer Labs and it is made just for this.

www.boomerlabs.com

This will take all of your camera movement, lights, and so forth from Max and bring it right into AE. I use it all the time and it is AWESOME! You can render in layers for compositing purposes, place helpers in Max and they will import right into AE as solids, which then can be replaced with video or whatever else you want. I use this program for everything... from little projects to full out pro broadcast.

Just wanted to help out Andrew. Hope you don't mind. If you need me to do a tut, just let me know.
by arzee 09/27/2007
you are very amizing man
by yosefanan 09/27/2007
Hi Andrew
I want to ask you if you have time to give us some lessons in 3D max which help us to make a perfect scenes with AE .

I have some scenes in my web site I hope you see it ones about star gate scene I was quote the Idea to find out if I can make it .

http://www.d-nt.com/strGat.htm

I need your opinion in my scene , you will see that I done some of your tutorial , I like you man

your Friend .
yosef

by Alex 09/27/2007
thanks Man This One Is Nice One like the 4D Cinema
by ayman salah 09/27/2007
man you are my man
by yosefanan 09/27/2007
Hi Andrew
I want to ask you if you have time to give us some lessons in 3D max which help us to make a perfect scenes with AE .

I have some scenes in my web site I hope you see it ones about star gate scene I was quote the Idea to find out if I can make it .

http://www.d-nt.com/strGat.htm

I need your opinion in my scene , you will see that I done some of your tutorial , I like you man

your Friend .
yosef

by tunslike 09/27/2007
Thanks, Andrew we are getting at it ...

but i think it will be awesome if there are some integration with 2D footage and 3D mesh, Matchmoving and tracking

well it's all good

tunslike
by Chava Gallegos 09/26/2007
awesome thanks Andrew this s wot i just been looking for since some weeks ago
but how can i create a 3d logo from an image
by johnny 09/26/2007
Great tutorial, i just have a question. In the perspective view, how did you move the view around like a free camera? Is it a certain keyboard shortcut?

Keep up the good work! :D
by andi 09/26/2007
Thanks for all the stuff you've given us recently. Really glad you're doing Max, I've used it for years but thought I'd have to learn C4D to get some decent integration with After Effects. Can't wait for the next tuts!
by Fortuné Lauture 09/26/2007
Hi Andrew
The new tutorials for Basic Training are very nice. Even I am not a beginer But I watch them for review.
I see also You make tutorial for 3D studio Max, that's great! I am a fan of 3D Max too but I do not make to much practice. Please send more tu torials in in this software. Tanks again
Fortuné L.
by Matt 09/26/2007

Great Tutorial
by Matt 09/26/2007

Great Tutorial
by EDWARD 09/26/2007
EXCELENT
Thanks! Thanks!

YOUR FRIEND EDWARD FROM LIMA PERU
by jawad 09/26/2007
i like this !!
by Gabriel Macho 09/26/2007
Excelent tutorial Andrew ! Videocopilot rules !!!!
by Gabriel Macho 09/26/2007
Excelent tutorial Andrew ! Videocopilot rules !!!!
by Thiago Santanna 09/26/2007
Hello Andrew your website its very nice i love it , i've lerned a lot of stuff. Im from Brazil
and now im goin to buy more stuff from you , i want so bad learn how to work with 3d max and now i think its goin to happen
Thnks and God Bless you
by VICTOR MARINES 09/26/2007
Awsome Andrew definetly for me this is the best site integrating usable techniques

please if you can combine 3D STUDIO MAX and After Effects example
importing Z deep into After Effects from 3DMAX
camera mapping into After effects
etc...

your tutorials are the best and always keeping the joking part a kind of spicy mood

Greetings
by Maryo 09/26/2007
yes, why not use After Effects? We can do 3D text in AAE too, when we use Invigorator3D plugin. you see: www.ayatoweb.com and http://www.ayatoweb.com/ae_tips_e.html
by iNMAND 09/26/2007
COOL !!! More tutorials with 3ds max !!!!
by Breyon 09/26/2007
Dazza,

MAYA is not the main choice for all houses. If your going to state information, make it accurate. I have friends working in houses from IL&M to Lucas Films to Dreamworks and they use 3DS MAX, MAYA, & XSI all of the time. And most of the time, they have totally reconfigured these programs using in-house scripting so much that they are not even close to the version that's on the box.

Thanks Andrew and sorry. I had to vent a little. The app. doesn't matter... it's the techniques. And we all appreciate you Bro.
by David Edwards 09/26/2007
Hey Andrew,

A little basic but nice to see you're touching on the 3d end. I've been using Max for 6 six years and stuggle with the intergration with AE. You touched on the RLF format at the end, this is something i'm hoping you expland on in future tutorials, i know AE can import RLF but i'm not sure how or where it splits the channel data.

Also composing 3d with a live plate.

I agree with a poster above, i'd very much like to see how you intergrate Max with AE. and is it possible to take camera data from Max to AE?

and to add to that is it possible to get 3d geometry into AE from max?

Thanks again,

Take care - David.

by Bader Ahmed 09/26/2007
thanxxxxxxxxxx !

this is what i was awaiting long time :

3d Text in 3ds max Very cool.

but >>>> How can we import logo from AI or PSP ?


Thanks the Great Andrew ever
by Tom 09/26/2007
Great tutorial Andrew...I was wondering, is it possible to create a 3D logos or emblems? Like a 3D Superman Emblem?
by Way2Evil 09/26/2007
Great tutorial, a bit easy for most 3D Max users, but still good enough and even had a few things I didn't know.

I would love to see a tutorial about morphing.

Greetz W2E
by Brian Riker 09/25/2007
i use 3ds max. didn't think you'd do a max tut. awesome. will there be more?
by Nomad 09/25/2007
hey... great tutorial! I have a really stupid question to ask... when you first created the plane in 3DMax you were able to rotate and move around in the "perspective" window with your mouse without using the rotate and move tools. What keys were used for this? Thanks!
by Sam 09/25/2007
I love you Andrew Kramer. Your tutorials are always so informative and funny to watch. I hope lots of people buy your products, you deserve it. Keep the great tutorials coming and THANK YOU SO MUCH!!
by Bader Ahmed 09/25/2007
thanxxxxxxxxxx !

this is what i was awaiting long time :

3d Text in 3ds max Very cool.

but >>>> How can we import logo from AI or PSP ?


Thanks the Great Andrew ever
by Haydn 09/25/2007
Thanx man, great tutorial as usual
by Sebastian Ferrucci 09/25/2007
Todas tus clases son perfectas y cuidas hasta el mas minimo detalle, sos excelente!!! Gracias por tanto material.
by steve 09/25/2007
Very cool. Do you know C4D? If so, maybe a tutorial or two, or three or.......in the future?

thanks man!
by alexandre - brasil 09/25/2007
man.... you gotta rule the world. c'mon, take those bastards out of that stupid chairs and own them over the wooorrrld! and you are very funny, also lol

wish the best for you, honestly
by Edgar 09/25/2007
muy bueno es magnifico gracias Andrew
by Matt 09/25/2007
I am so stoked that you are doing 3ds max tutorials!!!! (even if they are supplemental) TAKE ON THE WORLD!
by Jesse 09/25/2007
Maya is better
by rogerfff 09/25/2007
awesome!!!
by Slox 09/25/2007
Great choice!!!
MAX
Man you are the best of the bests !!!
by Markusw 09/25/2007
Great tutorial.

But I think you should show us how to incorperate it into AE.
It kinda left me hangin at the end.
by 3finger 09/25/2007
If you want i can make some Maya and Cinema4d translation of your tutorials, let me know if you're interested :)

Anyway, nice tut Andrew :)
by Daniel Gomez 09/25/2007
im glad these tutorials are finally looking at the big picture and combining more programs...Great stuff!!

it also doesn't make for a bad birthday gift too
by William 09/25/2007
haha sick i just got 3DS Max yesterday and all i was thinkning was "I hope Andrew uses 3DS" and what do ya know

Thanks
by Daniel Reynolds 09/25/2007
Sweet! Pretty easy to translate to blender! Cool tut.
by John Paite 09/25/2007
O man I was thinking you were going to tell us how to get the camera data to AE and how to incorporate the two etc etc , but then it ended :(. well maybe next time!!
by Timo 09/25/2007
great, I bought cinema 4D yesterday...
and now?!
by Ben Whiting 09/25/2007
Very awsome andrew Very awsome
by Chris Coulson 09/25/2007
Woo Hoo!!!

Not only a new tutorial, but a new tutorial on a NEW Product, that I know nothing about, but would love to know more!!!

Maybe we can persuade him to give up his Hollywood day-job, and dedicate his life to making us free tutorials every day??? please?
by nicobn21 09/25/2007
GREAT !!!
i hope you'll make other 3ds max tutorial like this one !!
i'll buy all of your dvds turorial with 3ds max!

THANKS A LOT
by Rich 09/25/2007
Is it possible to integrate models from 3ds max onto live footage in after effects or any other way? someone told me its impossible it has to be over a still picture
by kooper 09/25/2007
wish u could have used a app. that was used for mac too.
by Elhora 09/25/2007
well, maybe i'll be the only one to be a little disappointed...
The Tutorial is fine, but i hoped that 3D tutorials would be confined to the integration of 3D elements in AE (like exporting/importing camera moves, Depth of Fields data, integrating 3D object in videos...) so VC.net would have been dédicated to AE post-production...
by Scott 09/25/2007
Yes, awesome, thank you! Ha, 3DS Max, woohooooo!!!!
by Jeremy Sexton 09/25/2007
Blender is free...

That'd be a pretty broad program to use for everyone to be able to apply.
by joen myrtue Denmark 09/25/2007
super duber cool, more 3d tanks
by Dustin James 09/25/2007
That is nice...

I've wanted that, now I can go to the PC Lab and play and maybe think about buying a 3D app..

my only thing is.. how do you move around the perspective window like you were? do you just click and drag... or hold space bar to move around or when you were zooming in and things?
by Craig T 09/25/2007
Great tutorial, I would love to see more on this topic.

Peace, Craig T
by Mattias 09/25/2007
Hey andrew! cant you put up the project you did, like you do with the other tutorials, :)
by Nick 09/25/2007
Yes! 3ds max! Just like you Andrew it's the one 3d app I feel the most at home with, lucky me =)
by Joris Strickx 09/25/2007
glad i'm learning already in 3ds maxespecially to integrate it into after effects.
by Orlando Robles 09/25/2007
well, it isn't C4D, but I respect that.. =)

Based on some of your other Particular tutorials, I have animated nulls on splines in C4D and then taken that 3D data into After Effects and used that null for the source position for particular particles. this site is quite nice. good job. =) ... dude more particular tutorials would be nice... nice SK8R reference andrew. lol.
by Georgi Zhekov 09/25/2007
Pretty nice tut ;)

Later on you could make some tutorials on Particle Flow,which is really impressive option inside 3dsmax.
by Paul 09/25/2007
Very nice, 3ds max is the best next to maya. It was pretty easy tutorial though but great for beginners who aren't known with 3ds max yet.
by D`Cloud 09/25/2007
Glad to see a fellow max user
by Frederik 09/25/2007
Yeah , really nice with 3dsmax tutorial keep going with that
by Ron Aguilar 09/25/2007
Cinema 4D.....but good tutorial, 'Drew.
by Elliott.G.Montello 09/25/2007
very nice!
by Ahmed 09/25/2007
Yesss, Maya Maya Maya...
by Andreas Feix 09/25/2007
I use Strata 3D CX & this tutorial works great with Strata, well the result is pretty much the same... more general tutorials are deeply appreciated & welcomed!
by Jak Razzi 09/25/2007
Very nice Andrew. I love your work and have been a long time watcher. I agree that you should integrate 3dsmax into your web site. thanks!!!

~Razzi~
by goemon 09/25/2007
pretty interesting and surprising tutorial
You talked about exporting camera movement from 3Dmax to AE ... is the opposite possible?
by Michael 09/25/2007
Hello andrew your's tutorials are amazing...Please create some tutorial on SOME magic
by mehrad 09/25/2007
niceeeeeeeeee ,
by Thorsten Meyer 09/25/2007
Hi Andrew,

great tutorial. Keep those coming along)

Cheers,

Thorsten
www.StrongMocha.com

by arimin 09/25/2007
cool Thanks Andrew
by Doc.Matyl from www.Lostdreamsfusion.com 09/25/2007
very nice tutorial it s
cool
Greetings from Germany
by JLong 09/25/2007
Man, you are my hero. Best wishes to you and your family.
by Mark 09/25/2007
Very Cool! Can you show us how to use Caligari Truespace?
by Jeff 09/25/2007
Would love to see some 3D object integration/match moved in After Effects. Great stuff!
by mateusz 09/25/2007
Thanks Andrew I am from Poland. Your tutorials are super.I have a question. from where you have some such objects as eg. the rock which flew goes on you. to me for objects on greenscreen. this is Mo the e-mail matiporz@vp.pl to write back
by Jeff 09/25/2007
Would love to see some 3D object integration/match moved in After Effects. Great stuff!
by Cliff Brannon 09/25/2007
Sweet, being a Max guy recently adding AE to their arsenal (AE learned in LARGE part due to Video Copilot- Thanks!) this is a great watch.
by Henri 09/25/2007
Very useful for 3dsmax beginners such as me, thanks.
by Julien 09/25/2007
Andrew you're the best!

I use AE mainly because of your great and understandable tutorials and products..
I tried to learn 3DSMAX but it was too difficult for me.. now I can
by coskun 09/25/2007
süper olmuş
by Alkadiass 09/25/2007
Cool !! More tutorials with
by Eduardo 09/25/2007
Show de bola! Parabéns Andrew.
by Mike The Man 09/25/2007
I know this is random, but please pray for me. Im sick. Also, I love Andrews work. It has really inspired me to do better as a film intern.
by Sieger 09/25/2007
Hey there Andrew,

I'm not really farmiliar with 3DSMax but liked the tutorial, maybe make a basic 3dsMax training just like you did with After Effects?
by Mathieu / al2cl3 09/25/2007
maya, maya, maya, maya! Lol Yeah it's good to see 3D studio max again. That's made a lot time now...
by Kenneth 09/25/2007
Thanks for the awesome tutorial..
by Csaba 09/25/2007
Great, 3D Max is most welcomed.
by Samir Elkhoreby 09/25/2007
Thanks Andrew on this totrials (good lesson)
by Maurice 09/25/2007
Thakyou very much, I am glad you are heading in the 3d in video direction, that is the only reason I want to learn more 3d to make objects intrgrating it into video. Thanks a million.
by Breyon 09/25/2007
Thanks Andrew!!! You are the man! Just like Ben, I am glad to know that we speak the same language

Please do more. I also would like to see you integrate 3ds max into after effects and do some cool effects and compositing.

Thanks Again Andrew!
by Nick 09/25/2007
Yes! 3ds max! Just like you Andrew it's the one 3d app I feel the most at home with, lucky me =)
by Titso 09/25/2007
That was an awesome tutorial:)
Andrew, it would be great if you started greating tutorials for 3Ds max and not only after effects, you will probably attract more people i think:) I hope to see more 3Ds max tutorials since you said you were good at it:D
by Thomas 09/25/2007
Great tutorial
I've had 3DS MAX 9 now for months, but finding it hard to learn stuff from other tutorial sites. Keep up the good work
by matt 09/25/2007
great andrew!!!
thanks once more!
by Phil 09/25/2007
Oh my God, Taht'S amazing^^ Very cool! Have you recived my mail? "A Mail from the other end of the World". I would regret , if you answer! Phil
by Mikael Toxen Worm 09/25/2007
Nice one, again. I can totally see Tony Hawk rolling watermelons down a ramp!

I'd hoped for Cinema 4D, but of course you're the man who makes the decisions, and you've stated your reasons for picking 3ds max.
Will be looking forward for more tutorials taking advantage of 3d programs :)
by Mats 09/25/2007
wow!! another max fan, nice job. but some improvments could have bin done

keep it up. i hope this is just a intro to a tutorial were you teach us to integrate moving 3d meshes inn to oure movies with after effects, like inn the TRANSFORMERS and yeah!! its a chalange....do you acept?
by casko 09/25/2007
thaaaaaaaaankssss you rooockkk
by cordova 09/25/2007
YES
by láze 09/25/2007
suuuuuuuuuuper
i love you because you make 3ds max tuts not c4d
yeeeeeaaaah!!!!!
you are the best
by Matt 09/25/2007
bloody good job I use 3d max all the time!
by William 09/25/2007
haha sick i just got 3DS Max yesterday and all i was thinkning was "I hope Andrew uses 3DS" and what do ya know

Thanks
by Ali 09/25/2007
i'v always wanted to know how to do that 3d text effect!!! thanks AK!! u da man!!

p.s hope ur wife n baby r doin good
by I forgot 09/25/2007
Awesome!!
Will there be any tutorials on 3d tracking in the future, I would really love that.
3Ds Max *YAY* my favourite too.

by barry barrera 09/25/2007
another helpful tips....thanx master!
by famxcom 09/25/2007
bof !!!
Where is AFTER EFFECTS ???????????
by Michael 09/25/2007
I only wish you chose a 3D app that runs on both mac and pc. Still awesome work... 3D-licious.
by peaceksa 09/25/2007
wOoOow realy it's 3D nice...
hay!what about 74.5 it.s ?

peace
by ragecg 09/25/2007
I agree with Giovanni, but thanks for taking your free-time doing stuff for free brother:)

Waiting for your next dvd:)
by simondo 09/25/2007
you probably expected this, but i thought this site was going to be just for after effects. i think you are doing a great job, but i hope theres more after effect stuff.

keep up the good work
by Benji 09/25/2007
Hey I really like this tutorial and i hope you keep integrating 3dmax and/or other 3d programs into your tutorials. I'm a fish out of water with 3D programs outside of AE and am anxious to learn more because i know they can be an integral part of getting what's in your head into that final render.

I think Video Copilot should be about getting that great end product and that sometimes a great design requires more than one tool. So some people might complain about stepping outside of AE but for me it just makes sense.
by Mickel 09/25/2007
See...you think you are throwing us some measly 1/2, add on tutorial when really this should be #48. You can read the manual all day, but seeing someone actually use the software makes a huge difference. Thanks.
by Orc Master 09/25/2007
Graet stuff! And I THOUGHT I knew 3DS Max!

Get those watermelons rolling!
by MNI 09/25/2007
Very nice!

But now we have png's. So if i import them in AE then you can't do much with it then to show.
You can't fly above it or something.
Or do i miss somethinge here??

Is it possibele to use the extrude text in AE so it is not an image but a real big en thick text?
by zach 09/25/2007
It's very cool, trying to buy C4D.
by Tom 09/25/2007
Thanks Andrew, it's nice to see some 3ds mograph tutorials instead of c4d! Keep it up! ;)
by Frederik 09/25/2007
Yeah, cool whit 3ds max. I have never relly understand that program but if you are going to make tutorials with it so then maby could learn. Thank you Andrew
by Azael Garcia 09/25/2007
Thanks Andrew, The Tutorial rocks!
I am an After Effects user but as many of us here I also use 3D Max, (I not good at it though), thank you for making this very first Tutorial with 3Dmax, I will be really happy to see more in the future.

Yes, it's a good Idea to integrate MAX with AE, that would be great....


Thanks again//
by sean barrett 09/25/2007
Aww wish it was cinema 4d but you cant please everyone. Thanks dude!
by Nova 09/25/2007
This site is like drugs to me i need my dayly injection. Thank you Andrew
by Matías 09/25/2007
Thanks Andrew!!! your works are amazing.
Thanks for share
by André 09/25/2007
Really good stuff there. Keep up the good work
by Cris 09/25/2007
that's easy but with the integratin in after effects u can do stuff and export them in 3DS and with a plugin from zaxwerks proanimator u can play in AF with the camera and lights ... anyway i want to know other ways of 3d studiomax and after effects integration ... but hey thanks u do a great job .. keep it that way
by Stefan 09/25/2007
Nice tutorial but don`t stop making After Effects tutorials pls.
by Jeffrey 09/25/2007
This site just keeps on growing.

Video Copilot is my anti-drug.
by Jessica 09/25/2007
Great tutorial!!!
by nico 09/25/2007
thanks for this great tutorial...
by Brian M 09/25/2007
Looks good. I've been trying to decide which program to use when I make the leap to 3D. If you make picking up 3DS Max as easy as you did with After Effects I guess I might have to go with it.

Anyway thanks for the tut, exciting to see you expanding the scope of the site.

BTW - Why keep your mastery of 3D secret for so long? It makes me sick how much you know!!
by naimalwan 09/25/2007
CINEMA 4D...

It makes so much sense to use C4D considering its intergration with AE....

But thanx for the tut... guess i'm gonna have to start learning 3ds max...
by Max Marklund 09/25/2007
Thanks

MM.
by Hpousi 09/25/2007
really cool. i hope you do a lot of 3d max tutorials.
by Vikram 09/25/2007
Dear Andrew,

Many thanks for your wonderful tutorials. I work on after effects as a hobby and with the help of your tutorial i have been able to create my own 20 sec commmercial for my own company.

HATTS OFF TO YOU PAL,

by NAV 09/25/2007
Im a Maya guy, but glad to see some 3d stuff here too .. but dont forget to throw AE Magic as usual .. Cheers ..
by Hpousi 09/25/2007
i hope you do a lot of 3d max tutorials
by Aaron 09/25/2007
Great stuff! So glad you chose 3ds Max.
by Jeffrey 09/25/2007
It's really cool watching this site grow.
I like the friendly feel it's always had.

Thanks Andrew
by Joe 09/25/2007
Wasn't that good, sorry didn't have the flare of your AE stuff. Maybe something that incorporated AE with Max, such as 3d camera matching/tracking would be nice. Ive been using Max for about seven years so maybe thats why i feel this way. I do like most of your tuts but this one seemed phoned in.
by lee 09/25/2007
Hey man great tutorials love to see some more especialy particle systems brought all your products there great so any one else thinking about bying them do it............... do it now
by Rafael Dourado - Brazil 09/25/2007
Wow ! Amazing tutorial Andrew !! I´ve learned a lot with ur After Fx tutorials and now this !!! i can barely wait to see the next one !!! Thanks a lot !!!!!
by Ozb 09/25/2007
Thanks. I am definitely interested in picking up some skill in 3d apps. It would be great to see how to do some camera tracking with Boujou or a similar package...
by Ozb 09/25/2007
Thanks. I am definitely interested in picking up some skill in 3d apps. It would be great to see how to do some camera tracking with Boujou or a similar package...
by Murat 09/25/2007
very good text thank you Andrew
by Morten Enoksen 09/25/2007
Eh.. thanks Andrew.. But i though u preferred C4D when it came to 3D.. Sure it will help people;)
by tktodd 09/25/2007
Man this sucks!! I came here for After Effects Tutorials!! . Just a little joke from one of your previous tutorials. Anyway,this is a Good one!!
by Dazza 09/25/2007
true words spoken "Maya maya maya maya" is the premium graphics software of choice by all 3s houses

Bye the way well done again 10/10

by Max 09/25/2007
YAY! Simple, but awesome as always! Thanks Kramer.
by Chru 09/25/2007
3DS max is good choice. You can add some particle tutorials with connection into after effects. For example something like NigthCrawler smoke effect. That would be cool.
by Marc Biorklund 09/25/2007
Very nice 3D Tutorials I am very happy you started teaching us 3DS MAX, I have been playing with it when I was younger, but I get bored to wait 10 hours to render something with my pentium 133 that finally didn't look good

I know there lot's of really cool stuff that could be done with the combination of 3DS MAX and AE, so thanks for making all this fun again

Cheers,
by Kami3d 09/25/2007
Hey Andrew, *Congrats* for New born baby girl. Best Wishes mate.

Ok,back to these tutorials - you've been comming out of these fine tutorials so far, but i really would like some in-depth look into rendering out pass-elements from 3ds max scene and how you can take that renders and enhance it in post eg: After effects to save costly production time. Thats one area i don't think you haven't covered if my memory serves me right?

Another thing I like about your tutorials - they're soo close to production quality and very much thought-out and "attractive" tutorial's.

Thanks soo much.
by Martin 09/25/2007
Hi Andrew,

I must agree with Ben.

Any chance of doing a tutorial overview of
how to film a model car, plane etc in Max &
then add it to your footage in AE ? Maybe....

Thank you for all your tutorials.... Brilliant !
by Clyde Benedict 09/25/2007
When Andrew do maya tutorials? He'll be the BEST
by trypt0phan 09/25/2007
Thank you. Nice to see some basics of 3D.
Making us all very well rounded. By that, I mean...sitting around on our duffs doing all these new tutorials getting fatter :)

great stuff...thanks again.
by Martin 09/25/2007
Yay! You focus on my apps of choice: After Effects and Max! Have you thought about upgrading though? We are up to version 10 (3dsmax 2008) now and it makes life SO much easier!:)
by Christian Horne 09/25/2007
Fantastic tutorial! I had a demo of 3D MAX and just gave up because no-one out could just give out the basics. Local collage courses where I live for both AE and 3D MAX are really hard to find in the UK so these tuts are a God send! Would it be possible to do a Basic Training DVD for MAX in the same way you have done the Basic After Effects Training DVD? Thanks again!
by Rock Lee 09/25/2007
why the hell are u doing aftereffects tutorials with other programms. dude i dont understand u, but its for free so keep doing xD
by Brian 09/25/2007
Okay, so you're going to use 3DS Max for the tuts, but what's your personal 3D program of choice, C4D?
by Tramadol 09/25/2007
Nice Andrew, very nice - sudden voice from deep lair :) Yes, I admit Ben that you should integrate 3dmax in afterfx
by Vodkashorty 09/25/2007
It's tutorial no. 48... but really nice
by Fabio 09/25/2007
hi andrew i'm very glad to see this cool tutorial because i'm using 3d max and maya also..

welcome back!!
by Christine Long 09/25/2007
Thanks Andrew, it was great. Someone mentioned 'rain effects' in the comments to your last tutorial, I too would love you to do a 'creating a rain storm' tutorial if you could. Great work, I love all your tutorials. Keep it up.
by Dave 09/25/2007

Thanx for the tutorial... I also USE 3D Studio Max.. Great program! For me the Best!

Thnx... lookin forward 4 the next one!

Greetz Dave (Holland)
by Casbert 09/25/2007
Nice tutorial man! I've trawled the 'net for ever looking for good, easy to follow tutorials in Max only for Mr. Kramer to come up trumps. I hope you plan to do more Max tut's in the future. Recently bought Riot Gear, Serious FX and AME. All quality products. Thanks dude!
by oceanflowingmotion 09/25/2007
hey andrew, its probably the best solution but have you ever looked into Zaxwerks?
by JOLLE 09/25/2007
ey nice 3d studio max tut
by hsab 09/25/2007
u r the best.
tnx u
by mido Mahmoud 09/25/2007
thanks Andrew for your help
by Medo 09/25/2007
Hi .. Thank for all teams videocopilot ..
by mark 09/25/2007
will have to check this out when I get to work.
by Clint 09/25/2007
Ahhh, I hoped it to be C4D but this is cool too. Can't wait to look.
by Giovanni 09/25/2007
Maya maya maya maya...thanks anyway....
by Ben 09/25/2007
Thanks Andrew! So glad we speak the same language Hope you feel the urge to make some more. Maybe integrating 3ds max into after effects. That would be awesome. Ok, going to go buy some of your products.....
by marco man 09/25/2007
cool
by Jay 09/25/2007
thanks~~~~~~~
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