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Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby tony on 11/16/2010, 7:20 pm

Hey guys so im here starting a new project and I need your help.


I have been put in charge of shooting and editing a 90 min film that i believe will be sold to a cable network.
I am in charge of getting the gear i will shoot with. So here is my problem:


I need a really good easy to use and set up camera that can grab video and audio. Because I will be the one doing editing I sure as hell don't want to sit there and sync up audio. especially when we will have very little time to play and experiment.

Here is what im thinking:
Renting a 7D with a handheld rig a 7" monitor, 50mm prime and 70+ mm zoom, with that little audio thing at the bottom that lets you hook up XLR inputs straight to the DSLR.

Thats my Idea and I think it might work well for me. Some of the producers choices are going with a cine alta, or a panny cam. What do you guys think?

It's going to be really fast shooting so I need portability ease of setup and quality good enough for HD broadcast. (it is a film so depth of field would be nice). Any suggestions?


And do you guys recommend any place in Los Angeles to rent gear from?

We start shooting in 8 days, ideas?
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby paulgriffith on 11/16/2010, 8:59 pm

Hey man. The rig will work, external audio is much preferred. If you're worried about syncing audio, it really isn't hard as long as you slate. Software like pluraleyes can help too.

As far as a rental house, try these guys: http://www.borrowlenses.com/?blpid=lensrental
They rent everything you listed and will cost way less than a local house, and the shipping is easy. We've used them twice and are super happy.
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby tony on 11/17/2010, 1:13 am

Thanks a lot

Well im shooting a 90 min film and editing it my self. Im using premiere Pro Cs4 to edit and onlineing in Avid MC 5. PPro really has nothing like plural eyes and I sure as hell don't want to sync through hours and hours of footage. Im looking to just drop footage in, create proxies edit, do small visual fx and color time and online in Avid MC 5. because I think we have only 2 weeks to finish the edit and I have school and work, so im going to really be pressed for time.

Thank you for the rental tip, im going to check it out as an option. BTW how long do they take to deliver to LA?
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby paulgriffith on 11/17/2010, 10:08 am

I'm in Dallas so I'm not sure, but I think it's two day shipping. You don't pay for rental on the shipping days though so as long as you order far enough in advance you're fine.

Oh, and Plural Eyes has been released for Premiere now too. I'm about to use it to sync 3 cameras + a four channel audio recorder. I'll let you know how it goes.
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby tony on 11/17/2010, 4:15 pm

I didn't know pluraleyes was out now for Premiere and Avid! sweet.

But I still am not to thrilled about it because all it really does is sync audio with in your timeline. However I was looking around their website and I found Dualeyes-Which, just looks incredible. It replaces the audio directly on the video not on the timeline.Amazing! I think I might end up getting Dualeyes.

Now as far as the differences in the 7D and 5D do you know what they are? I haven't been keeping up with their upgrades. What shooting modes fps, sizes can they shoot at now? I was looking at getting the 7D but now i hear the 5D has a AGC override.
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby paulgriffith on 11/17/2010, 4:26 pm

5D has a larger full-frame sensor and AGC override. 7D has the crop frame sensor. When it comes to video, they're the only differences really. The 5D is a nicer camera for sure.
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby mSpiderTwo on 11/17/2010, 7:55 pm

What does "it's film so depth of field would be nice" mean?
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby Rob Neal on 11/17/2010, 9:27 pm

mSpiderTwo wrote:What does "it's film so depth of field would be nice" mean?

He means he is shooting it in a big meadow. :lol:
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby tony on 11/17/2010, 11:32 pm

LOL no i mean since it's a film im shooting I would like to have some depth of field. You know, because films usually have shallow depth of field and video has very deep depth of field so you don't get that nice bohke effect in the background.

Oh and Rob, im actually shooting in a corn field LOL ;)
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby Awakurimi on 11/19/2010, 2:57 pm

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What is your budget? You can get a cheap FD lens and adapter on ebay or a ef L lens for a fortune. Sony camcorders may be a better alternative as some also allow interchangable lenses. A canon dslr is fine, but you may need practice with the focus first. The nikon D7000 may also be an option. I think it just depends on the budget.

EDIT: Sorry, I realized you are renting them :oops:
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby tony on 11/19/2010, 3:19 pm

heheh no problem ;)


Well our budget IDK what it is. It's a low budget film, probably will be one of those c movies you see on SyFY. It's nothing big since it's my first big project. Usually I just do student films and indy music videos or small motion graphics. But a 90 min movie does have me shaking in my bootees a bit. So im looking at the fastest easiest way to film it while still having broadcast quality stuff.

I actually was looking into renting Sony cams I was looking at some Cine Altas but IDK the 5d package looked pretty attractive. I think wee can rent all needed gear to shoot with a 5D for 4 thousand a week. What do you guys think?

What exact Sony cam where you talking about?
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby Awakurimi on 11/19/2010, 4:25 pm

I didn't have a single camcorder in mind but I though it would be worth mentioning. A quick google search should find answers.

Also, I'm not too sure about the cost. What have you rented? 4k seems a bit much, as the 5D costs 1.5k itself. Some lighting stuff, tripods and lenses. You may want to consider th fact that 5D has problems with rolling shutter, not to mention manual focus only.

Having said that, I think the 5D Mark 2 will be great, hope it goes well. :)
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby paulgriffith on 11/19/2010, 4:51 pm

$4000 a week is pricey for a 5D rig. You could go RED for that.

5D plus peripherals and lenses and audio and a grip truck, now that's $4k.
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby tony on 11/19/2010, 9:58 pm

paulgriffith wrote:$4000 a week is pricey for a 5D rig. You could go RED for that.

5D plus peripherals and lenses and audio and a grip truck, now that's $4k.



Ah im sorry, i ment to say the whole package should be about 4k for TWO weeks. Thats the 5D body two lenses, tripod, stingers, XLR, cables, Mics, headphones, Ikan monitor and rig arm, ND filters and all the little accessories in total. Which is about 2k a week.


Also awakurimi, I thought the DSLRS now had auto focus?.. hmm well from what I understand the movie is very standard, mainly still shots, if anything we can rent a rig with a focus puller I guess.
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby Rob Neal on 11/19/2010, 10:54 pm

$4000 a week is nuts. For that you could buy a 5DII and a couple of lenses. Standard rental deal is usually about 1/6th retail per week.
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby tony on 11/20/2010, 12:10 am

Rob Neal wrote:$4000 a week is nuts. For that you could buy a 5DII and a couple of lenses. Standard rental deal is usually about 1/6th retail per week.


No No, sorry it's 4k for two weeks. its about 1,900 per week for audio and video. depending on where we rent from it might be slightly cheaper.

What i am working on right now is securing lighting. I was on set at a shoot and they basically shot the whole show with a damn light panel and it still looked brilliant on cam! so i doubt i need a lot. Im thinking of taking out just an arri kit.
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby Awakurimi on 11/20/2010, 3:01 am

Jus to clarify: Probably all dslr's have auto focus, but few have continuous auto focus in movie mode. Some Sony and Nikon dslr's have continuous AF but I believe the 5D mkII doesn't.
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby Rob Neal on 11/20/2010, 7:13 am

Awakurimi wrote:Jus to clarify: Probably all dslr's have auto focus, but few have continuous auto focus in movie mode. Some Sony and Nikon dslr's have continuous AF but I believe the 5D mkII doesn't.

As far as I know, no movie DSLR's have auto focus, let alone continuous. The 5DII certainly doesn't; I own one. If you are going to rent, get a Red Rock grip rig: http://www.redrockmicro.com
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby paulgriffith on 11/20/2010, 9:54 am

The Panasonic DSLR's have autofocus in movie mode and I think I read that the new Nikon with 1080p capabilities does as well. Their video quality, compared to the Canon's, leaves you wanting though.

Still, the only time you should be using autofocus in a professional environment is if you absolutely had to lock off a camera without an operator on a wide or something. Even then, set the focus and leave it alone. There's no auto out there good enough to actually stay focused on what you want to focus on as it moves through the shot, especially with a shallow depth of field.
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby Rob Neal on 11/21/2010, 5:42 am

My golden rule has to always buy cameras from optics companies, (Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Pentax) - and not electronics companies (Sony, Panasonic, Samsung)
The glass is always better, build quality is solid and the functionality is more thought through, because cameras are their bread and butter, not just another product range.
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby tony on 11/21/2010, 5:07 pm

Yhea I feel you Rob.. I never though of it that way, but I have always felt weird holding a Sony cam or a Panasonic cam. It never feels "right". video cameras are not a problem but as far as photography cameras go: Canon, nikon, oplympus, pentax, leica, fuji and hasselblad are the only brands I feel comfortable working with.

BTW Rob, you mentioned you own a 5D (mark 2?). Im about to go rent the stuff in a couple of days, but i have also been looking at the 60D as a possible option. It's a lot cheaper than the 5D to rent and ppl say its video is comparable to that of a 7D. Have you herd anything about it? What do you think?
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby LiveEventsOnly on 11/22/2010, 7:45 am

When it comes to rental, for some reason renting a video-dslr (ie 7D) is cheaper at a photography/lens rental than a video/cinema rental. Why? probably because photography places treats it like any other photography equipment. While the video-rental guy treats it like a video camcorder, video gear is just expensive!

Side note, if you have never shot with a full frame sensor like a 5Dmk2, it is great! It is much wider than you are used to if you have been shooting with a crop all your life. The shear amount of extra real-estate is worth it. It really really jumps out at you the first time you put your 50mm on there.

Since it is full-frame and so wide, that will be one camera that i will keep until it dies (i generally rent a lot, don't own too much gear myself).
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Re: Help Help Help! With DSLR equipment

Postby lewandsarafolo on 06/16/2016, 2:46 am

Nice post! I like this because here you have discussed briefly about DSLR equipment issue.
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