Question about video recording and capture

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Question about video recording and capture

Postby Pippa on 06/24/2016, 6:00 pm

Hi,

I'm looking at buying a camera, and a external recorder for it, but haven't yet because I don't have much clue about what I'm looking for. This is what I would like to do, if possible: Get some type of handheld camera, like a canon rebel, which is in my price range, that is if it will output 4:2:2 to the recorder (like the Ninja 2), so I can get a better green screen key. Second, I would like that external recorder to be able to connect to my cable box, and record clips from there also. I s this possible? Are recorders like hyperdeck shuttle or ninja2 capable of recording from cable too? I need high quality news clips for some of what I do. I know there are some hardware products that should do this, but I have limits on $$ and would like to get one product that does both.

Thanks!!
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Re: Question about video recording and capture

Postby Guitarboy2828 on 06/24/2016, 11:28 pm

The T4i can send out 8 bit 422 via hdmi. I'd personally stretch for a Black Magic camera, they have a lot more dynamic range, which is helpful for green screening and colour grading. But the T4i should do what you want.

In theory, you should be able to plug your cable box HDMI output (which would go to your tv) directly into the HDMI input of the Ninja 2 and you should be good to go. The Ninja is just a recorder, so it'll record what you send it.
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Re: Question about video recording and capture

Postby Farmfield on 06/25/2016, 2:36 am

The problem with cheaper DSLR's is the footage looks like it's out of a cheap DSLR - I know as I use one myself. But I agree with Guitarboy, if you can afford it, go for a Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera, it's just another world in regard to footage quality and feel.

T4i 8 bit footage with "film look" grade...



BMDPCC raw 12 bit footage...



And the wider dynamic range in the raw footage does help a lot in keying too. I usually split the streams, do some denoising, cleanup and CC before pulling a key, then I shuffle the output alpha back into the raw footage and premult - it works really well.
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Re: Question about video recording and capture

Postby Pippa on 06/25/2016, 10:48 am

Thanks! That is an awesome camera, and with it, if I didn't want to get hd video from my cable box, it looks like I wouldn't need the recorder, right? I'm going to talk to my dad and see how much we can spend, now I really want that one! Also, if I am to get a recorder too, should I get one that outputs 4:4:4, if I can afford it?

Thanks so much!
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Re: Question about video recording and capture

Postby Farmfield on 06/25/2016, 11:42 am

Which of them? :D

I must say I was blown away with the A7s mk2 footage after checking it on Youtube. I would go for one of those before the BMDPCC for sure. 4K, that dynamic range and some INSANE low light performance...

As for the recorders, like the Atmos ones, they are expensive as f**k -so I would not go buy one unless I had to.
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Re: Question about video recording and capture

Postby Pippa on 06/25/2016, 12:29 pm

The black magic pocket cinema camera. They have it listed on their site for for about 1k, I think that's the one I want!

Thanks!
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Re: Question about video recording and capture

Postby Farmfield on 06/25/2016, 2:03 pm

Yeah, such nice footage straight out of the camera. And for that you definitely don't need an external recorder. :)
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Re: Question about video recording and capture

Postby Pippa on 07/5/2016, 8:23 pm

I on your advice, and a lot of reading, we ordered the bmpcc. Thanks! But it doesn't come with a lens, and since we got a ninja2 too, I'm not allowed to spend too much more. Any advice on an inexpensive lens? ebay has tons, but I don't know which one would work best for what I want to do(initially). Thanks again!
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Re: Question about video recording and capture

Postby Farmfield on 07/6/2016, 12:24 am

Cheapest normal zoom, 17-55 or alike, with a fixed aperture - fixed as in the aperture doesn't change while you zoom. The cheapest I could find locally here is the Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2,8 XR Di II LD Aspherical [IF] at ~$350.

Now, there are a lot of filmmakers who are dead set on primes and/or say you should never, ever use zooming - but it's nice to be able to, if you want to, and then you need a lens with fixed aperture, else it'll "jump" in exposure while zooming...

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Re: Question about video recording and capture

Postby Pippa on 08/13/2016, 1:43 pm

Hey, thanks for all the help! I was able to get a lens, a really cheap one, but it actually works really good, at least it works really good for what it costs. Now I have saved a little more money and want to get a better one. The lens I bought was a 35mm, but I have to be so far from the camera just to get halfway in the frame. What size mm should I get to get full body at maybe 10 feet away? Thanks again!!

-Pip
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