I want to escape the Adobe Horror Museum

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I want to escape the Adobe Horror Museum

Postby maschera on 02/9/2013, 5:03 am

Hi everybody,

Well I'm working on After Effects and Premiere since a few years, and I find this softwares very heavy, slow and bugged. Though I just can't work on it anymore because if I continue to tear my hairs out consequently, I'll be blad by the end of the year.

So I was wondering what softwares are the professionnals using. I mean, I imagine that Hollywood doesn't work on adobe... I'm looking for softwares that can do the same things as Pr/Ae, but in a less catastrophic way.

Does anybody here have a king of knowledge about that problematic ? :)

Thanks,
Regards

PS : I'm sorry if there are mistakes in my language, I'm french !
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Re: I want to escape the Adobe Horror Museum

Postby knighthawk on 02/9/2013, 6:27 am

Hi,

I have also used Combustion, which is a very high spec Compositing and Layering program.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combustion_(software)

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Re: I want to escape the Adobe Horror Museum

Postby Nobber on 02/9/2013, 7:58 am

I suppose it really depends on what you're doing and what you're aiming for.

And, of course, what your budget is!
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Re: I want to escape the Adobe Horror Museum

Postby Ldooche on 02/9/2013, 5:12 pm

hello, Maybe it's your system that is causing the problems??? I've had CS3, CS4 and CS5.5 versions and they all ran on the same computer which isn't really that powerful (3.0 Quad-core duo with 4GB RAM - had 8GB for a short time) - and I they always ran pretty smoothly for the most part. Sure they're not 100% perfect but what is?

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Re: I want to escape the Adobe Horror Museum

Postby tony on 02/9/2013, 6:14 pm

Actually in the industry we use premiere and After effects a lot.

Anything short of a feature film uses adobe. commercials, broadcast, webisodes, bumpers, teasers. adobe is a huge player in the big professional industry.


If you are looking for a more advanced composting program like say you have a 250 million dollar budget, then you can use Nuke. Combustion is widely hated amongst VFX artist IDK why, just is. Nuke is more popular. If you want to edit you can try Avid (which i hate and think it's outdated form of editing) You can also try smoke (which has a much steeper learning curve. But these programs cost a lot of money, require a huge learning curve and do very "extra" to justify their cost if you are on a smaller budget.

I mean there is very little you can't do w/ Ae, Premiere, Photoshop and a 3D program. Nuke, autodesk and avid just cost more because they allow collective editing amongst a whole team of people. If you are a single person I doubt you can ever reach the limits of Adobe's software.
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Re: I want to escape the Adobe Horror Museum

Postby Thallis on 02/10/2013, 8:28 am

Without ever had used other programs than Adobe and Final Cut, I would say tony is right. Use your money on hardware upgrades instead. I don't know what your problems are exact. But we all deal with annoying render time and crashes i guess.
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Re: I want to escape the Adobe Horror Museum

Postby IggyVanZen on 02/24/2013, 8:41 pm

ILM uses After Effects. Just Saying.
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Re: I want to escape the Adobe Horror Museum

Postby jax_rox on 02/27/2013, 10:54 pm

Many companies use After Effects on all sorts of projects from web series to feature films. Possibly the most popular alternative is Nuke, but Nuke sits at a price point out of the range of many low budget (and even some mid-budget) filmmakers and artists. Nuke is also very different to After Effects, in that it is a node-based editor, rather than a layer based editor. Combustion is all but discontinued now and whilst it had a small foothold previously, for some reason there are many that dislike it. Flame is probably Autodesk's closest replacement for Combustion, and answer to compositing/effects.

FWIW: I know of some post houses that still run Apple's Shake

In terms of actual editing, the industry standard NLE is and always has been Avid. Avid used to offer a lower-budget version of their software (ie: Avid Xpress Pro, Avid DV, Avid Free) but now they only offer higher-end versions (ie: Media Composer, Symphony).

Avid is great to work on, though it is different to FCP and APP. I hate FCPX and hate Adobe Premiere, so for myself there was only really one other choice. FCP 7 was good, but I don't plan to be starting new projects in legacy editing software.
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Re: I want to escape the Adobe Horror Museum

Postby LordEdington on 03/1/2013, 2:13 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8oENLJ4kbU

...but yeah, I don't think Transformers 4 will be created in Element! After Effects has plenty of uses when it comes to pro work though, like in the video, but Nuke is more common for compositing and a better workflow across teams.
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Re: I want to escape the Adobe Horror Museum

Postby tony on 03/1/2013, 1:37 pm

LordEdington wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8oENLJ4kbU

...but yeah, I don't think Transformers 4 will be created in Element! After Effects has plenty of uses when it comes to pro work though, like in the video, but Nuke is more common for compositing and a better workflow across teams.



Transformers 4 wasen't created in nuke either. Just like Ae Nuke is a composting program. However Transformers 4 could be composited in After Effects. However because they have a team workflow they will prob use Nuke. Although a lot of UI and graphics are actually done in Ae. So yeah i can see element and Ae being used :p
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Re: I want to escape the Adobe Horror Museum

Postby LordEdington on 03/1/2013, 5:13 pm

I had to read it a few times to make sure, but I'm pretty convinced that you've just managed to take everything I've said and repeat it back to me... while giving it a little twist to make it sound like the information I've conveyed is wrong, and the information you've conveyed is right. Even though the information is the same.

That, my good man, is an impressive skill!
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Re: I want to escape the Adobe Horror Museum

Postby tony on 03/1/2013, 5:23 pm

Did i mention i used to work as a spin doctor for big tobacco? lol

I though u where trivializing Ae by saying transformers 4 couldn't be made on it, while suggesting it could be made in Nuke, because it's more "professional" Which i took as silly, seeing as how both are compositing programs and neither are 3D modeling or rigging programs at all... which is the meat and potatoes of Transformers movies. That's why i have that response :)
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Re: I want to escape the Adobe Horror Museum

Postby LordEdington on 03/2/2013, 2:00 am

No, no... I was posting the video to show that AE shouldn't be dismissed as it's a great program that can deliver high end results. That's why I went for the Avatar one, I was essentially saying "Hey, don;t dismiss AE, they used it on the most expensive film ever, so it can;t be that bad!" I'd never trivialise it, I make my living from it, so if anything I'm going to 'big it up'!

I brought up Transformers though as although AE is great, you're going to need other programs if you're doing all 3D modelling and the like as well. At that point, if you've got a bunch of CG artists sending work to a bunch of compositors then Nuke is going to be more likely. But like you say, there's a lot that can be done just in AE.
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