CGI Paul Walker in Fast & Furious Sequel?

When Fast & Furious star Paul Walker passed recently, the film sequel was put on hold. Now that producers are moving forward, and the question is how should they finish a film that is already more than half-way done filming?

There has been talk of rewriting, re-editing or even using stand-ins to film the remaining scenes.

But one suggestion has stirred a lot of controversy: Use a CGI Paul Walker! (Basically a computer generated likeness) Some people have suggested this is bad taste, disrespectful, creepy.  Maybe it is, I don’t know. Now that producers have confirmed this solution, the backlash has begun.

BUT… I personally think they SHOULD use CGI Paul Walker. And here’s why. (And it is not because CGI has improved. That doesn’t matter!)

His Real Performances!

Typically, I’m against bringing back actors but the movie was already at least half-way done filming before Paul Walker passed. SO they have his REAL last performances in the film.

Now since movies are typically filmed out-of-order,  it’s possible these finished scenes are missing important connecting moments that are needed to tell the story and maintain continuity.

So producers have to choose:

1. Cut his character entirely and re-shoot/rewrite the film without Paul Walker. (Movie insurance would cover the cost):

END RESULT: No Real Paul & No CGI Paul.

2. Use a CGI-version of the character to finish the missing scenes and keep the majority of his REAL performance in the movie:

END RESULT: Real Paul with Some CGI Paul.

Whether you are a fan of the movies or not, they were always fun and well made.  And these films may well be his legacy so I think it would be a shame to cut all of his last performances over some CGI that is only meant to help keep the true Paul Walker in the film so producers don’t have to cut him out.

NOTE: I’m not tied to production so I’m not sure the specifics of how they plan to do the CGI stuff but I wanted to make this post to offer some perspective. Hopefully they have the same idea!

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5 months ago
Vin Diesel via a facebook post articulated the difficulties the crew and the actors are facing with ABSENCE of Paul Walker
Body doubles, Motion capture, Face replacement, CG model of Paul walker, Do you think Brain O’Connor will look Realistic?
UNIVERSAL STUDIOS and WETA DIGITAL (lord of the rings fame) have decided they are not going to think much about the finances with movie budget shooting more than 200 million dollars but they want the character to have likeness of Paul walker AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 3 cameras are being used to capture the scenes with Cody (younger brother of Paul) giving references for eye movement and Caleb’s body motion and mannerism will be used- to recreate CG Brain O’Conner.
Universal has taken a brave decision and WETA digital has a daunting task to recreate Paul for FANS eager to see the last performance by the actor.

So what technology UNIVERSAL & WETA will use? Here is an INSIDE LOOK on the technology available to Hollywood to replace actors as a whole or just a body part like face.
http://vfxspecialists.com/paul-walker-in-fast-and-furious-7/
5 months ago
Furious is nice , Cool idea.
wow great very nice.
is is it possible?
7 months ago
oh that would be very nice if it hapen.
the fake Andrew Kramer
7 months ago
eminem look really close to him
8 months ago
hey should finish game of death with a CGI Bruce lee
8 months ago
They may use one of his brothers or his stunt double! But they will kill him off in the movie to keep the cost down and finish it, or depending on how they started shooting the film, paul could be missing for half of the film and out more focus on the other characters, then bring pauls parts in al the end and have him killed by jason Statham! Either way paul would have not minded being cgi he would have thought that as being cool as hell! You dont really know how or what anyone would be like unless you know the actor or actress! So what ever they do paul will be fune with!
yohanes bintang
8 months ago
Either solution may not work. If audience known he is a partial real character before watch (unless Avatar by James C with continuity clear cut between real char and CGI), audience will have difficulty to have emotional connection with this character. They will try harder to suspense their believe.

Emotional connection will be lost somewhere...
8 months ago
They'll be able to film it with his brother, they look pretty much identical. Like the best stunt double of all time ahahaha

Alex Harris
http://azcorporatevideo.com
Real Performances!!!!
Lj
8 months ago
Mike Larned
8 months ago
They pulled off having cgi arnold in that one terminator several years back so in 2014 they can pull it off i think...it would be a good test to todays age in vfx
IMO cgi version should be made . if done perfect then it would be tribute to Paul Walker
8 months ago
I'm sure with all the capabilities of today's cinema and dedication they can achieve a great result
razorskate
9 months ago
Ryan Gosling is a good option to make the new brian o'connor in next fast&furious
9 months ago
For me, this is a no-brainer. Use CGI & body doubles as needed to make the connecting scenes work and use absolutely all of Mr Walker's performance as possible. Of course his final performance should be seen by his fans.

For me the really important thing to get right would be to make his final film appearance an excellent movie on the whole!
Ben Jones
9 months ago
I don't see a problem with it. It would be kinda cool trying to figure out which are the fake and which are the real Paul Walkers.
Abdulrahman
9 months ago
They totally should make a CGI. That would be awesome!
nic fanciulli
9 months ago
F&F poll:

1) New Fast&Furious with Paul Walker CGI [ ]

2) New Fast&Furious without Paul Walker [ ]

3) Fast&Furious series is really boring for me: I dont care [X]
Bobby
9 months ago
IMO cgi version should be made . if done perfect then it would be tribute to Paul Walker. it is not better to replace him
Muhammad Farooqi
9 months ago
What if they search somebody having resemblance with Walker and use some makeup tricks to match the Walker.. and go with that
nephtali
9 months ago
hey andrew where is element v2
    trigorin
    9 months ago
    Yeah!... ??? =/
    Is videocopilot dead?
    I used to check regularly for updates and was never desapointed. Now I almost forget that VC still exists... =(
darkarmy
9 months ago
darkarmy
9 months ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwL1VWlEQI0
The future is already here. The thing is soul cant be computer generated, and mainly the eyes of the actors in CG are always empty for me, at least until now.
RickD
9 months ago
I kind of thought his performances were fake anyway. Might be an improvement.
RobJ
9 months ago
I'm torn here. And not because it's in poor taste to use CGI to bring an actor back to finish something.

I guess it really depends on how much CGI is required. If most of the scenes are in the can and it's just connecting work - fine. Doubles are used all the time, and thanks to CGI that's actually more than you think now.

I understand the studio's need to complete the project there's a lot of money on this for them. But I also know that as a viewer I'm paying to see Paul Walker. Not an incredibly realistic simulation - which for all intents and purposes can probably do everything he can do.

I think when our technology becomes so advanced that we can replace an actor - even down to simulating his performances and tweaking them to perfection (and we can now), I'm no longer seeing the actor. I'm seeing a copy, a knock off that is 'just as good'.

That's a bit like when I see stuff here that Andrew's done and then go on to Youtube and see 30 versions of it by other people. When I see something that comes from Andrew or his team - that's a work of art and beauty. He can give us the project files, and yes, we can duplicate his work to the last detail, but it will never have the brilliance, the skill the timing, the mind that created it.

So - should the studio do it? Sure as long as everyone knows what they did, that's up to the viewer to watch and appreciate or not. But it will never be the same - and it should not be used as an excuse to do it as a replacement for the real thing.
Seth
9 months ago
The only problem would be, how would they replicate his voice? I guess they could just find someone who sounded like him, I'm sure someone out there does...
Amir
9 months ago
Avatar movie has successfully done using CGI character...i'm sure this movie also can~
9 months ago
Hey Andrew!!! I just watched this release film...
It's VideoCopilot Logo at 3:30 check it out
http://youtu.be/PPUnqvfQRa4
9 months ago
To me there is nothing wrong with using cgi here and because in many movies including, the matrix, Tron, and Man of Steel, there are many complex scenes that uses this technology. Because Paul has many of his scenes completed, and do to his inability to finish any other scenes, but would have completed if he was still with us, I am very sure the respect is there. I do however believe that in order for this to work properly, the CGI should look extremely good. Whether or not they use other visuals from his past and present cuts, I think all options is crucial to complete this movie.
Impaczus
9 months ago
very offtopic but.. any chance we would get to see a CGI Andrew? :D
Daris
9 months ago
The only professional and stable tribute to the Film and Paul Walker would be to rewrite the script from the last action sequence in the plot that he already performed but change it that he would abruptly die. This will fulfill the saga and end Fast and the Furious with a legacy young viewer will watch for future viewing. The error in T.V and Film is that producers and studio will keep a good idea going for ever till it sucks but 10 to 12 episodes a season id the new standard for great respectable T.V content and 3 to 6 Film sequel. Please Respect The Work Paul Walker Stay Loyal To For 6 Additional Films.
hanswurst2k
9 months ago
The only question that needs an answer is this:
Would HE want, that a f**king multimillion studio make money with his face?
My suggestion is, NO.
Jason
9 months ago
No Disrespect but,why all of the respecting his death business? He didn't die on the set. He risked his life pursuing a passion and with that failed to obligate his contract. With that alone, by ALL MEANS- G.G.I. Paul Walker. Let him at least be able to finish on screen what he couldn't in life.
Darren
9 months ago
Also, Gravity was basic CGI, they only used the faces of the actors and merged them with the CGI suits, so it goes on.

Again, it was done with Brandon Lee and there were no issues, it was almost a hommage to him.

The only people who should say yes or no in my opinion are his family. If they say it's ok, then there are no issues.

If they can get actors super realistic in CGI, then perhaps the only argument would be why would we need them at all in the future?, then simply get them to record the voice overs, then the directors can get the actors to do exactly what they need, similar to 3d Animated movies.....I see union issues :)
9 months ago
Well guys, you all have a good point here and there, the fact and decision still remains in the hands of the producers
jacks
9 months ago
If they can, then why not? just make dust all over the scene so it would not be obvious CGI :)
Juan Serrano
9 months ago
In my humble opinion, I consider that it will be smart add a CGI Paul Walker, it's obvious that nobody wants to replace him. But the producers and the director will make this just to finish a project that didn't take in consideration the death of one of his top cast members. (Nobody think sometimes in this possibility).
But also, people is not aware that CGI characters have been present more than a decade ago. Or the audience thinks that the jumping Legolas in some of the critical battle sequences in the Return of the King was really Orlando Bloom on Green Screen?? Or the Harry Potter playing Quidditch in his flying broom was Daniel Radcliffe??
Or Spiderman when it's swing between skycrapers in Manhattan it was Tobey Maguire??
Recently Jeff Bridges was pasted in the movie Tron Legacy, the quality of the CGI wasn't superb, but the idea was awesome (also, if you are one of those who just criticize the CGI works of others, but you never work at that level, you don't even imagine how complex and time consuming is work at that level, even with all the computer and man power that you dream to have!)
Anyway most recent films like The Avengers or Gravity, can show how much the integration/blending of the digital composition between Live Action sequences (plate) and CGI elements (Characters, fabrics/cloths, organic matter) is possible today. It's just getting better.
Like I wrote before, In my humble opinion, I think that the real secret of the good VFX, in this particular case the integration of CGI Paul vs. Real Paul, it's how subtle is this handle. If it's well done it will set a bar for future solutions on VFX.
Let me explain this better; - The Movie Social Network raise the bar for CGI character blending (even some people continue thinking in the awful Cold Breath in Boston sequence!!) the Winklevoss twins were portrayed by actors Armie Hammer (Lone Ranger) and Josh Pence (The Dark Knight Rises), but in screen is only Armie Hammer faces over both bodies in every single sequence, just think about that, nobody says anything about it... Mostly because nobody detect it. Social Network has around 800 VFX shots. 800!, sounds easy, but just think in how many VFX shots had the original Star Wars.
Brett
9 months ago
This idea has been floated several times in the past. I heard about five years ago that some rich Thai entrepreneur was planning a movie with a CGI Bruce Lee! The idea runs into a few problems both legal and technical. When it was rumored that a certain company was considering using a CGI Bogart for an ad campaign, they received a note from Bogart's estate advising against doing so without negotiating the rights to his image. Elvis Presley's estate has made more money since he's been dead than when he was alive. If there's money involved, the sharks come out in a feeding frenzy - whether it can be technically done or not. I've never seen convincing CGI of a real person, it just doesn't exist. They all look like those 3D games. A close up of an actors face won't have nearly the qualities to compare with a real face. And there is the rub, in this film you'll be constantly looking between the two - it can't be close, it has to be dead on. Kudos to the producers if they can pull it off under the above conditions.
Ferret
9 months ago
Andrew, could you do a blog with CGI Andrew???? That would be doubly funny and make a great tut!! :<)
9 months ago
en mi opinion,lo mejor seria que Brian O´conner tenga un accidente con el coche,herido grave y tras la salida del hospital el actor que seguiria con el papel de O´conner seria Chris Pine (por ejemplo).un saludo
Justin
9 months ago
I believe they should do a CGI version of Paul. It would be great to see the last performance of the actor and I feel that it would be honorable to keep him in the film, as he has been a staple to the series over the years.
Yogi
9 months ago
Agreed Andrew. The most important thing to note is, this can be a legacy film that the audience will forever relate to & remember.

A mix of Paul Walker's real performance & his CGI double with today's tech will be the best mix in telling the story seamlessly to communicate his performance on-screen.
Adam
9 months ago
It would be mighty poetic if they kill him off in the movie. They've already got the news report footage to use.

Andrew makes a good point about honoring Paul by using his performance in the film. No one will pay to see it if he's completely cut him.
Ken
9 months ago
Cgi ...a Cool idea.
The Truth
9 months ago
Surely, when you die you can finally stop working ? Should it be legal that companies can force you to still make money for them until THEY say you can go ? Has his image become a digital slave ?
    Brian
    9 months ago
    It's not like that, @ The Truth, the truth is that we all love Paul and we are desperate for seeing Paul again and again because it will make us feel we are close to him and not forgetting him....BTW money game is not for us so we should skip to the part where we say we love Paul and we just want him in action as always he was. :)
Eber
9 months ago
Lol, It´s like the concept in the movie "The Congress".
hassaan
9 months ago
I really want to see his last performance, it is a good idea to finish the movie with CG Paul Walker.
Brian
9 months ago
It really is a good idea to finish with CGI Paul because the film was already started and cutting the precious scenes last made by Paul would be a shame so it's a good idea to make him CGI also not CGI but 3D is so much improved that they can make much more with 3D Engines like i saw peoples in battlefield 4, the textures,lights, and real motion capturing made this look real in rendering engine...amazing job.
rvnploid
9 months ago
Totally agreed with you Andrew!
Tuor Ealnesse
9 months ago
this is possible
real time example nvidia titan graphic card
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq1Nq2Zvv0Y
they can also use double for set with marker on face or green mask maybe and cgi face. just sayin..
reza irani
9 months ago
i have good news for you andrew! it's done! they will Use CGI and doubles to complete the film! they have confirmed this news! I'm so excited! WOW...
vipinm
9 months ago
i am with you buddy they should yous CGI paul and complete the film Of Course they need to make some changes on their scenes but this will open up the new doors of outstanding performance and with CGI paul they can shoot more Jaw Dropping Stunts and other things to make movie more interesting and may be i don't know it will a great tribute to amazing Paul Walker.
Alex
9 months ago
To support my previous message about the techniques used for CGI Paul, have some links:
The Digital Emily Project: a seamless face swap :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIclidm9nug
FXGuide very comprehensive article about this fascinating part of VFX:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIclidm9nug

Please take your time and follow the links, it's some heavy lecture but it's really worth the time. :)
Gabriel
9 months ago
This is ridiculous. Paul Walker died because his friend was driving like an idiot and it killed them both. So because of that, what, Universal or the insurance company have to lose tens of millions of dollars? Absolute nonsense! Don't get me wrong, I liked Paul Walker; he wasn't a great actor but he was watchable and a very beautiful looking guy who died a terrible death. But that is not the fault of the studio. Sure, it might feel a bit weird to use CG face replacement on stand-ins and so on, but if it's the only way to complete the picture, then they should do it. Brandon Lee's death forced The Crow to be reworked massively - if you've read the shooting script, you'll see how much changed, but F&F7 is more of an ensemble. Walker's character will be retired to take care of Mia and their child, with Jason Statham trying to kill everyone. Get over it, it's happening, and with the family's approval.
Alex
9 months ago
I'd say someone else's performance with live face mo-cap and head replacement. I'm sure they'll find someone with a similar body and also a voice actor with a similar tone&pitch.
The technique is similar to Davy Jones cap from Pirates of the Caribbean. Now let's just hope they can handle and do a fine job without his head scanned in the light dome (that fancy stage with polarized lights and lots of cameras).
FXGuide actually had a pretty interesting article on face capture and CG heads a little while ago and showed some awesome results obtained a few years ago where you couldn't tell the difference between a filmed actress and her CG replaced head. Also there's an interesting demo you can actually run real-time on your video card with a captured head with full lighting and SSS.
9 months ago
Looks like they are going with a CGI Paul Walker!

http://www.imdb.com/news/ni56971993/?ref_=hm_nw_tp_t1

I have to agree with Andrew on this one. I think not showing his final performance is more unjust than putting closure on his acting career.
9 months ago
There is still the Ed Wood solution (cf Plan 9 from outer space), a fake Paul Walker with an arm in front of his face. It's an interesting discusses. I've didn't digested yet the cg E.T in the director's cut because it was too demonstrative... The solution find by Gilliam in The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus is beautiful and poetic but it will not work in every case. But here... I really don't know... There is a difference between join the pieces and create complete scenes with a CGi version.
9 months ago
the should finish with the CGI walker
Dave Star
9 months ago
Respect to your opinion. Absolutely. BUT ...
I think ... (It's MY personal humble opinion) when a death occurs there's nothing more important than the respect. I think producers and all the staff around Paul are there just for money. Nobody cares about a DEATH. They're just thinking about money to save by finishing the movie. And the people just want the movie for fun. The movie is not certainly a tribute. Paul is at the bottom of the list of people thoughts. I respect other opinions as said before. I just want to share mine.
9 months ago
Scandalous, respect his death ! cgi are scandalous if they are played by other people…
On last Fast and Furious, i don't think, Paul Walker's death just slow down this episode, but after they will find a another guy for a next episode, it's just money ! tsssss
in my opinion :)
But if Andrew Kramer make the face of Walker, i'll see the film XD
    Dude
    9 months ago
    Andrew couldn't. He isn't a 3d modeller or sculptor... Sooo yeah...
9 months ago
The bad taste everyone mentions is conditional to the producers and the family making money off Paul's likeness. If the variable changes to send Paul's cut to a charity, then bad taste doesn't really come to mind. Perhaps even connect to a charitable concept to prevent future car accidents.

Plus, the perspective of "value in art". Sure, it is Fast and the Furious and not 12 Years a slave, but the filmmakers and actors are all very passionate about their craft. Respecting Paul's passion would be to complete the film as it was intended.

I wonder if they'd use Vray?
Chris Torres
9 months ago
I think 95% of the time it is in bad taste to recreate and actor who has passed with CGI. Does anyone remember Tupac’s last performance a couple of years ago? In a case like these where the movie was in progress it is respectful to complete the film. I think most talent would want the show to go on and this is a way to let them have a final bow.
Now, if someone announced a new movie starring Paul Walker with MoCap provided by Andy Serkis…then you’re going to far. (Although, if you’re going to have anyone do MoCap, it should be Andy Serkis.)
David
9 months ago
I remember reading years ago that Lucasfilm was going to use a CGI young Alex Guiness to play Obi Wan Kenobi in The Phantom Menace. Clearly that didn't happen, but the time will come when this sort of thing is commonplace.

I thought the CGI Jeff Bridges in Tron Legacy was pretty good. Helped that he was meant to be part of the grid though as he was a little computer generated in places.
Salman Ghafoor
9 months ago
They really should keep Paul Walker in film whether they use CGI or not but Without Paul i'm not going to watch this film because i have waited it for long but no Paul, no film.
Paul
9 months ago
But right now the CGI technics for creating an virtual people is still not perfect.Citing Avatar for example,the people in the movie still has some kind of CG taste. Howerver, I am in favor of using CGI to complete the movie with Paul.Cutting all of his shot won't be a choice
9 months ago
I would be very glad to see them honor his last bit of work. To cut him out would be sad indeed. I'm sure there is a huge backlash of moral outrage/support to such a decision, but I can't imagine there is anything "objectively wrong" with it (if you think there is such a thing — I do). It is a bit creepy though.
But if it were my own brother or someone close, or shoot, even myself, I don't think I'd mind at all to see it done if the intention was to preserve one's final work. I'm more bothered by it when productions ask for CGI replacements (no matter how well it's done) for an actor who has long since passed away; e.g. Marlon Brando in Superman Returns.

On the other side of that coin though, would be my own feelings as a compositor when someone asked me to place an actor in the scene — living up to and reproducing another actor isn't easy. You have to be an impressive puppeteer as well as adapt at impersonations I imagine.
    Gabriel
    9 months ago
    Marlon Brando wasn't CGI in Superman Returns, those were scenes shot during the production of Superman and Superman II that were not used. It's real footage, you can even tell the different film stock it's shot on. Nothing to be offended by, other than that the whole movie sucked.
harry ortiz
9 months ago
i dont know why some people object CGI! a stand in is sort of the same. in the end, it´s faking somebody´s performance. when you´re a movie star chances are they will play with your image for as long as they can.
the first time mr paul walker appears on the screen in his last movie people will give him a standing ovation!
9 months ago
Just use CGI of Paul Walker a d at the end of the movie dedicate the movie to Paul Walker.
jelle
9 months ago
I'd say. If it is possible. Do it. But i would give the last word on this to his next of kin. Does not matter what we think. Or like for that matter. I would like to see him in cgi. But i would let his family decide wether to do it or not.
9 months ago
That would be pretty cool if the CGI was good enough!
Fast & Furious is nice
Al
9 months ago
Well said AK, fully agree they should use some CGI to finish
9 months ago
Let's hope they do a much better job then the Bruce Lee cardboard cut out for Game Of Death http://youtu.be/1bAdMrMxMm0 (1:06)
prathamesh
9 months ago
Paul walker's brother did his final scean ,
I read that somewhere
giangianni
9 months ago
Actually, at this point after you've screwed up, I don't care if I'm still alive, if you still want me for the part CGI me and send me a cheque! And forget about what we've already shot. I'm suing you!
caxum
9 months ago
Lets not forget that in the Matrix Revolutions or Reloaded, they did use a CGI Keanu Reeves after he died...oh wait he is only dead on the inside...nevermind...
    Vlada69
    9 months ago
    lol
giangianni
9 months ago
If I were an actor, before signing I'd make sure that in the contract is stated that in case of death they replace me with a CGI version of me. If not, screw the film! And then?? How are you going to find another me?? CGI? Didn't I tell ya that when I was still alive you jerks??!!!!
9 months ago
The idea is not new I guess but I think people that aren't aware of this are gonna flip out when they see him in 3D lol
Davyvde
9 months ago
I think they should definately do this. It may seem a bit morbid at first, but we should not waste Paul Walkers last preformances! Also, I think placing in a GC Walker is the best way to respect and remember him, not by cuttting him out! That and continuity.
9 months ago
Use CGI Paul. He has a daughter and I am sure it would help her out not to reshoot. This is not an instance of Michelangelo's sculpted work left half hidden in marble on purpose due to the subject matter. This is a piece intended to be finished and if someone would but help the artist who has passed the world can enjoy his final work. Or should all work that is unfinished be tossed into the ocean to remain for another generation to wonder what it was intended to represent had the artist finished the work?
Klaus
9 months ago
I'm not a huge fan of Fast & Furious or Paul Walker but I would guess no one would have noticed some full CG shots without the controversy. Now they will get even more viewers because its Walkers last movie and people who just watch to see if they can spot the difference. Hey, the even revived Bruce Lee to sell whiskey :)
9 months ago
I think the I mindset of preserving his real performance is the right attitude, and a little CG to accomplish this is healthy for the film and his memory. Just so long as it's not overly reliant on a CG double.

I'm sure we all remember some if the disastrous, wooden-looking digital doubles we've seen in the past. Avoid that, and we should be sweet. Never forget that one of the twins in Social Network had a digital head, so it can totally work, if it's done right.
Amit Tiwari
9 months ago
It's stupid to oppose or backlash for using CGI Paul. We should remember that Paul didn't just acted in this film series but he actually loved fast cars. He died in a super car crash that actually flew off the ground. I am not saying that this is ideal thing to do but this Shows what speed meant to him and it would be shame to not show his last work to his fans. I am actually thankful to producers that they choose this way and I am going to watch this movie twice, one for the FnF and one for the Paul.
mariano
9 months ago
We`re not talking about Oscar performance in this case anyways nor is this a movie aiming towards realism or high standards, even crappy fx should serve the target audience well enough. Yeah, so why not a CG replacement for that guy!
reza irani
9 months ago
You are right. they should respect to him, not cut of him. CG is not Limited anymore.
they can do this perfectly.
does anybody know that what happened to Philip Seymour Hoffman in hunger games movie?did they used CG version of him or used a spurious actor?
Jamminfoo
9 months ago
Great points. When in doubt, turn to history. Oliver Reed died during the filming of Gladiator and the studio was still able to pull off an epic film by manufacturing Oliver's likeness without most of the audience knowing.

Gatorade even went out of its way to put a young Air Jordan against a veteran MJ. The whole time the viewer knows that there is a stand in / digital Michael Jordan, but it's still very entertaining. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpfzaqIuR34

I agree that the studio should go ahead with CGI fill shots of Paul Walker. It's either Paul + digiPaul or no Paul. Since the film was halfway, the work that Paul Walker already did, shouldn't be left out in vain. There is a respectful way to help the world see Paul's last performance.

The same question remains for Philip Seymour Hoffman dying about a week short of finishing his shots for the upcoming Hunger Games movies. Even though there is more flexibility with the Hoffman situation, a CGI Phillip is almost expected.
Amit Tiwari
9 months ago
It's stupid to oppose or backlash for using CGI Paul. We should remember that Paul didn't just acted in this film series but he actually loved fast cars. He died in a super car crash that actually flew off the ground. I am not saying that this is ideal thing to do but this Shows what speed meant to him and it would be shame to not show his last work to his fans. I am actually thankful to producers that they choose this way and I am going to watch this movie twice, one for the FnF and one for the Paul.
Jake Jabbs
9 months ago
It is a matter of time before Tom Cruise gets paid twenty million a picture for licensing his image.
brad
9 months ago
I say "go for it."

They aren't using him in a role that he hadn't approved of or performed as in the past. They aren't using him to promote Anaconda Malt Liquor."

I'm sure there will always be an opposing party on this stuff. What about Marlon Brando in Superman Returns or Coachella bringing Tupac back to life to perform LIVE with Snoop Lion? Not that I'm comparing the audiences or performers to each other, but crowds will probably respond positively to it rather than against it.

Given his untimely departure, I think fans and hopefully friends and family would appreciate hollywood giving them one last chance to see Paul Walker perform on screen, even if it does mean a portion of the performance will be given by stand-ins or CGI.

No offense to the franchise or Paul intended, but I'm sure the studios can come up with a creative and fun way to keep the series going without Paul Walker. Other than the obvious financial and scheduling setbacks, if the studio decides to keep Walkers' role in the current film as intended will not only let them play out what they've been eluding to in the last two installments, but also give fans a chance to see his final performance as well as say goodbye to a great guy/actor/character.
9 months ago
Interesting post, Andrew! Reminds me of this article on the Cinefex blog a while back, after that chocolate commercial with the digital Audrey Hepburn:

http://cinefex.com/blog/elixir-of-life/

They address the same kinds of questions, and it's definitely an interesting discussion. How far will (or perhaps "should" is a more fitting term) VFX go? What do we consider part of an artist's vision and what do we consider "fake", and how does the audience tell the difference? Is it deceitful to claim that "James Stewart" will "star" in whatever upcoming movie, when in reality it's the work of hundreds of people who are not James Stewart?
Will the jobs of set designers, costume designers, makeup artists, grips, gaffers, special effects artists, any onset crew member and even actors one day become obsolete?
Is it honoring Paul Walker by allowing his final role to be seen, or is it minimizing or even trivializing his performance by putting his footage alongside CG footage?

Does all this even matter? Who knows. The fact is that there are no art police to say "this is terrible, stop". Studios do what they do.

The question, then, as Graham Edwards very aptly puts it, is not "can we", but rather, "should we"?
    David R
    9 months ago
    The major difference between this and the Hepburn ad is that Paul Walker had signed onto this film, and any implementation of his likeness will be done to fulfill his duties on it, by the hand of people who presumably have at least some degree of respect for what he brought to the production. It's even possible that his likeness is already being used in other scenes where a digital stuntman is needed for a particular gag.

    The Hepburn chocolate ad was just using someone's image as a marketing gimmick. Likewise, any use of James Stewart would be done in the absence of his consent or indeed even his interest or desire.
    9 months ago
    If they want to do that, why even CGI a dead person, since that is only a fake likeness.. it would be cheaper and more sensible to hire a look-a-like impersonator who can do a spot on impersonation, that way you would get all kinds of nuances that would take a legion of animators to re-create. I think they should make a movie with Bruce Lee, Charlton Heston, Marilyn Monroe, James Dean...throw them all into the mix , and see what people thought, I think it would be pretty neat to have a franchise like that, and just imagine the what if's...
    Kimble
    9 months ago
    Morality? Conscience? In Hollywood? RRRRighhhttt!!
Alex
9 months ago
You are forgetting something vital guys: Even though they can double him with some cool CGI by using it in combination with distance shots, they can't double his voice, so even if CGI is used, will he always be silent?
And I really doubt it that they will cut&paste words from around Fast & Furious series to make ''him'' talk. So in my opinion they will probably rewrite some of the script and kill him in the movie/change the plot -or- use some editing magic.
    Owen
    9 months ago
    Probably find a voice actor that sounds like him. That's what I would do.
Jimjamaroo
9 months ago
Since his death was Fast and somewhat Furious, I would had thought it more respectful to not see him speeding around in cars...no? I would not normally object to CG work to cover missing scenes of a deceased actor etc, but seeing that his death was closely linked to the subject matter of the franchise, I view it in slightly poor taste. I also think it sends some pretty mixed messages from the studio about the real life concequences of speeding on public roads. I think the first use I heard of using CG/ manipulated takes to complete a reworked script was with Brandon Lee on The Crow, maybe because that was enough years ago that the studios still think that it's an acceptable solution to 'fix' a production - rather than consider what they are doing. Unfortunately it's all about money and ownership of the rights of an actors likeness, the studio knows that more people will want to see Paul Walker for a final time, and I think that his fans will want to attend for the right reasons...but it gets very creepy when it becomes so financially advantageous and a marketing 'strength' for the studio to re-work the entire film around an unfortunate death of a star. Just my opinion :)
    Lee
    9 months ago
    I agree. Don't take him out or CGI him ( I think they are actually leaving him in there anyway, just restructuring the film for him to retire). If anything have his brother Cody fill in a few gaps here and there.
    Brian
    9 months ago
    " I also think it sends some pretty mixed messages from the studio about the real life concequences of speeding on public roads."....did you really just say this? Apparently you don't understand the concept of entertainment and story telling.
Aron
9 months ago
I believe that the future of cinema will consist of some films that will have dead actors brought back to life by cgi. This is an awesome thing. As long as it is in good taste. I believe that this technology will allow a whole world of incredible possibilities. Not only for the future of screenwriters. But for the actors who are old now that would love to play younger roles again.
    B
    8 months ago
    What about CGI'ing in your dead grandmother or a dead family member of yours ? is that allowed ? Hollywood is a fucked up industry majority of their movies suck. Their super lazy and think they work hard. Very few actors ACTUALLY work hard in Hollywood like paul walker, and theres few more just cant think of them right now. Making money off dead people ? Hollywood industry has no shame their a bunch of faggots. Someone should CGI in one of their dead family members to their taste in a movie. They don't care long as their getting their money. fuck Hollywood.
    Raffido
    7 months ago
    Hey B .... It's not disrespecting Paul.. but instead they respect him.. his last performance.. all of his hardwork to be in that movie. they putting a CGI Paul for his memories.. not disrespect him.. It's all about his involvement in the movie...and he should be...
Adrian
9 months ago
Sure, as long as the CGI is as realistic as these 3D models:

20 Fictitiously Real 3D Character Design Models
http://designrshub.com/2012/12/3d-character-design-models.html

20 Truly Inspirational Set of 3D Character Model
http://designrshub.com/2012/12/3d-character-design-models.html
    Patrik
    9 months ago
    These are actually not so great as they may seem. They are way too hyper-real to come out right on movie screen. And I don`t even want to get to the problem that they are just made for a nice still picture. It`s not just about level of detail, you see. All of these would look so creepy if they moved, or were put under more cinematic lighting or even talked. Maybe except "The Blue Project", I always liked that one. Most of these were done by a single artist, do you realize in movies a whole team of the best artists in the industry is working on a digital actor? Believe me that what we had till now (Benjamin Button, Clu from Tron, Kevin Bacon at the end of R.I.P.D) are pretty much the best we can do now and don`t ever compare it with snapshots that some nonprofessional blogger took from web.
    berserk
    6 months ago
    they are actually not that realistic, most of them at least. I could tell they are cg any day (except the hairy guy and the blonde girl at the end. they are pretty much real at least without motion)
Murray
9 months ago
They are also using a CG version of Philip Seymour Hoffman for the second Hunger Games - Mockingjay film.

He had already shot all of his key scenes bar one.
9 months ago
This is really really cool.
I''m betting Paul is watching over them and nodding in approval for a CGI version of him.
    Terry
    9 months ago
    what the hell man...
    Norm
    9 months ago
    He can't watch nor can he nod - he is dead.
    9 months ago
    He did say 'watching over them' folks.
    So maybe 'what the heaven' might be more appropriate Terry
    reagan fagginton
    9 months ago
    they should do a cgi tupac....
    mgt
    9 months ago
    it's alway inappropriate to talk about god, heaven, hell or any relgious stuff on a website filled with people that don't care about any of that, we care about VFX, CGI and motion graphics, if we want to discuss god, we'd go to youtube.
    Eric Lassen
    9 months ago
    Whoa a little hypersensitive there mgt. First you don't speak for everybody here and second it was an innocent comment that was hardly a deep discussion about theology.
    aguacate
    9 months ago
    Oh no MAN, I knew it!!! Hollywood will replace actors with CGIs. What's next, screenplay generators????
    James P.
    9 months ago
    MGT, it's not being pushed down peoples throats, nor is it going into some deep conversation about Christianity or religion in general. In fact, saying someone is "looking down" on something after they passed is a very common saying, even for those who don't have any beliefs. The only issue I see here is you being overdramatic for the sake of the drama. Oh, and CGI Paul is not disrespectful at all IMO. I say go for it as well and make sure to finish up the series!
    B
    8 months ago
    Hes obviously turning in his grave at this idea. But eh what does Hollywood care long as they get their money that's it, their using this as an opportunity to get big cash, faggots. Just let him fucking rest in peace. The fast franchise is already dead.
9 months ago
If they could finish The Crow with some CG Brandon Lee and a double for his scenes. They should absolutely finish Fast and Furious with CGI Walker. It's not like this hasn't been done before, and it would certainly be more cost effective to keep him in despite being deceased.

I agree, they should CGI him in.
    Ivan
    9 months ago
    They should finish Game of Death with a CGI Bruce Lee
    James
    9 months ago
    Just have the guy from Star Trek, Chris Pine do his scenes, no one will know the difference.
    Stephen
    8 months ago
    They should just use a different actor and call him the same character. Soaps do it all the time, and after 7 Fast and Furious movies isn't it really just a soap opera on the big screen?
    B
    8 months ago
    While some of this does make sense like CGI him in to finish the remaining scenes, its really disrespectful, not only to him, but in general to any deceased. he must be turning in his grave because of this. Hollywood has no respect for its actors, they just care about the money, this is a bad idea. People don't care because their not dead and its no one dead in their lives so what do they care right ? What if they CGI'd your dead grandmother or dead father or mother or whomever in for something, you wouldn't like or allow it. Even with his familiies permission it doesn't make it right. This is what humanity is coming to ? there is no hope in this rotten world, it rots every single day and people think they can save it ? they cant not as long as theres people like you around.
    D
    8 months ago
    @B

    Really? I don't see how it's disrespectful. What are they to do, just can the movie all together? He wasn't the only person involved in the movie, there are number of other people relying on this movie to be compete. Also Paul Walker signed up to make the movie, so he was all on board to make it. It's not like the movie is all CG Paul and he didn't have the initial say that he wanted to be in it.

    Now if it comes to making yet another movie with him in it, and it's all CGI Paul, that's a different story all together.
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