More Targets?

The new animation preset Sure Target has 10 built-in targets but what if you need more? Like eleven or even twelve? Well actually you can have as many as you want with this simple solution.

The Solution:
Here’s how it works, just setup your scene as described in the tutorial with a 3D NULL object, a camera and the Sure Target Preset. With this setup, you have 10 targets ready to go.

To add 10 more, simply add another 3D NULL object and apply the Sure Target tool. Now, to link these to the first NULL (so the movement isn’t interrupted), set the 10th Target of the first NULL to use second NULL as it’s target. So whatever is designated in the second NULL will be used once the first NULL is keyframed to 10. Just be sure to start animating the second NULL after the first one reaches 10.

With this method you can add as many as you want by setting the last target of each Sure Target NULL to a new NULL containing yet another set of Sure Targets.

Another Idea:
One thing to note is that “Targets” do not have to be still, you can have 3D layers that actually animate and the preset will follow the layers movement when it is reached. You could even use an additional Sure Target NULLs in the middle of the animation like for target 3 which might be helpful for organizing complicated projects. For example, the master NULL could work as chapters 1-10 and added copies of Sure Target would be used to animated the titles for the individual chapters. This one can hurt your mind unless you have worked on a massive project like this which is never fun.

Finally, some people have experimented with the 3D Falloff preset and found that it doesn’t work with Sure Target. The reason is because the Falloff preset references the Camera and the Sure Target uses a NULL. I love the experimenting, it is really a great part of the community. I’m working on an update that should allow this feature to work. Until then.

January 19th, 2009 @ 8:21 pm
Thanks Andrew :)
Henry K
January 19th, 2009 @ 8:23 pm
Woohoo! Thanks man.
January 19th, 2009 @ 8:29 pm
Thank U Andrew verygood sureTarget tuto!
January 19th, 2009 @ 8:34 pm
January 19th, 2009 @ 8:40 pm
Thanks Andrew.
it's really a great presets , and the combination with other plug-in and presets is unlimited in motions and look.
will wait your updated ver. of 3D Falloff.

have a wonderful day :)
Pierce Borgens
January 19th, 2009 @ 8:54 pm
alright I was wondering about this man! Thanks for the insight! Keep it up man your products and tutorials are incredible! Cant wait for 3D Falloff fix to come out! Take care Andrew and the rest of the Video CoPilot team!

Greetings from Texas,
~Pierce Borgens
January 19th, 2009 @ 8:58 pm
Nice! Andrew r u able to get amongst Twitter?
January 19th, 2009 @ 9:10 pm
Really nice tutorial, and i was just wondering about the 10th+ NULL's. Anyway, i assume i could make a text layer but turn the opacity down and post some video on its place. It should work right, like a 3d video wall, cause you know we dont have to have text everywhere.

January 19th, 2009 @ 9:18 pm
Always creatively thinking to make work flows better ! I appreciate all the experimentation and tutorials that has been brought to my attention, thanks.
January 19th, 2009 @ 9:26 pm
how many hours do you sleep for??? lol :)
thanks for everything :)
January 19th, 2009 @ 9:29 pm
Long live VCP !!

greets from
Windy Ape Town
South africa !
January 19th, 2009 @ 9:31 pm
u creative..and i so shock after see ur promo..^^
from real cloud until pro scores^^
January 19th, 2009 @ 9:34 pm
It's been working out amazing for me. It's one of the best things you've done so far. You tackled a really annoying aspect with AE with a very simple solution and best of all free.

Keep it up.
January 19th, 2009 @ 10:42 pm
Maybe you could include a rotational feature in sure target, so the orientation is controlled by an expression, that makes sure it always will go straight on a layer, it can of course be turned off with a checkbox.
If the orientation is the only thing controlled, then we could still play with the rotation values, to give it our own look

Just a suggestion
January 19th, 2009 @ 10:55 pm
I just completed a project for work and I used Sure Target quite a bit. I also used a single 3D null object set out in front of all my layers, so after I rotated through them individually the camera pulls back to show them all in a group. I think this might be similar to the TV Wall that was mentioned, the null is set to show all the "videos" in the wall for example.
January 19th, 2009 @ 11:54 pm
the 3D Falloff preset didnt work under a german version of cs3 or cs4 :-( So i cant use it. Is there a workaround?
S Gilbert
January 20th, 2009 @ 12:00 am
I just used sure target in a project and must say it's awesome. Thank you Andrew.

Any plans on coming back to new york? If you do, drinks on me...
January 20th, 2009 @ 12:25 am
Using suretarget on a project i received last week... deadline is next week, and this will help alot on animating the camera with ease, in a short timeframe!!!!

Appreciate all your hard work. Saving up my pennies for proscores!
January 20th, 2009 @ 1:28 am
thanks man. tnx for everything...
January 20th, 2009 @ 2:06 am
Just finished the tutorial... what a great preset, and nice job on the tutorial Andrew! I'm actually using it for a clients video right away.
January 20th, 2009 @ 3:29 am
I am also experimenting with the Sure Target.
The thing I come across is when you have a bunch of text layers in 3D space it's hard moving around without seeing the other textlayers somewhere in the background. I solve this with a simple opacity animation. I also like to use SureTarget for making those carousel showreel video animations switching from one vid to another.

Andrew, have you copyrighted the SureTarget? In case AE CS5 comes out with a similar plugin. You know they're keeping an eye on you. I still don't get it why they didn't offer you something yet.

I am pleading for the inauguration of the President of After Effects ; Andrew Kramer!!!
January 20th, 2009 @ 3:38 am
Holy cow, you're the best Kramer, I'm doing a poopy kinetic type that has 332 moves in 2D space, I wish I wasn't such a tool.
January 20th, 2009 @ 4:05 am
Your hardwork helps us a lot Andrew!

Thanks a million for making our jobs easier than ever before.

January 20th, 2009 @ 4:08 am
sounds good. you're great.
January 20th, 2009 @ 4:09 am
thanks Andrew :)
January 20th, 2009 @ 4:50 am
I have tried and used quite a few of your presets over the last year or so and they have proved to be very helpful and productive in my learning AE, BUT this sureTarget preset is by far the best I have used. It has taken a time consuming and cumbersome task of animating the camera moves (which I never was able to do well) and made it SIMPLE! Keep up the good work and I'm glad you didn't charge for this one.
Paulo Renato
January 20th, 2009 @ 5:20 am
Very good...
January 20th, 2009 @ 5:20 am
Clever... Damnit andrew, you're allmighty.
David W.
January 20th, 2009 @ 5:26 am
Great peice of info, Andrew! You make learning AE fun and easy.
January 20th, 2009 @ 5:31 am
Oh man, I spent a while figuring that out and now I check the site, there's an update with details on how to do it.

I might see if I can get the SureTarget preset to work with the Falloff before you post it ;). I'm not sure how to approach it, however.
January 20th, 2009 @ 5:44 am
Incredible. Thanks VC
January 20th, 2009 @ 6:13 am Now the Spanish version gotta work...
January 20th, 2009 @ 7:54 am
Duuuuuuuuuude.......... great stuff.
tommie12P(Thorsten Miess)
January 20th, 2009 @ 8:21 am
good...I dont like limitations :D
January 20th, 2009 @ 8:36 am
Nice. Hey, thinking way back, this camera targeting could help DVD menu transitions greatly, or even the earth zoom tutorial. Something to definitely experiment with. Nice job, Andrew!
January 20th, 2009 @ 8:47 am
Thanks for this tip Mister Kramer!!
January 20th, 2009 @ 9:31 am
Thanks professor Kramer!
January 20th, 2009 @ 9:57 am
January 20th, 2009 @ 10:03 am
Thans Mr.Kramer
January 20th, 2009 @ 10:19 am
Sorry. Thanks
January 20th, 2009 @ 11:50 am
...and i am sure that andrew didnt read every comment here... :-(
January 20th, 2009 @ 12:21 pm
Instead of creating a separate Null. Is there just a way to add additional targets in the expression somehow? Im not very familiar with expressions but if you made it work with 10, why cant you make it with 100?
January 20th, 2009 @ 12:39 pm
Jim, yes, but that would be a lot of sliders for one setup.
January 20th, 2009 @ 12:49 pm
A very quick solution to the rotation is to copy the entire expression text from the "SureTarget" layer's position property, paste it into the layer's orientation property and replace the word "position" with "orientation. Then, the orientation value of the layer you are looking at will automatically transfer to the SureTarget null.

This preset is awesome, and definitely has lots of experimentation potential. Thanks Andrew.
January 20th, 2009 @ 12:59 pm
Hey andrew can you tell us whats the name of the score used in Sure Target promo? is it confidential?, Thats a nice song.
I wrote a post a few days ago, and i didnt have an answer. Hope you can check it, and email me.
January 20th, 2009 @ 1:26 pm
Thanks Andrew,

Again, not very familiar with expressions so i wasn't sure what was involved, makes sense though. Thanks!
January 20th, 2009 @ 4:13 pm
Simply Genius
January 20th, 2009 @ 4:51 pm
Thank you so much man! This preset is a big help to people who are new to aftereffects... others may sell this kind of preset, but you, you give it for free...
January 20th, 2009 @ 6:33 pm
sure target... more targets... too many targets :p
January 20th, 2009 @ 9:09 pm
would it be possible Andrew, that you can just duplicate the targets inside the sure target plug-in?
January 21st, 2009 @ 5:59 am
There's a poll on the frontpage...
January 21st, 2009 @ 8:34 am
cool thanks AK
January 21st, 2009 @ 2:59 pm
Great tips Andrew. Thanks for the extra goodies for my information bank.... I am looking forward to playing with this preset in the current video I am working on for a jeweler. It should work excellent when moving from jewelry photo to jewelry photo....with a lot of extra work removed from my task. Many thanks Andrew.
January 21st, 2009 @ 4:03 pm
@Andrew Kramer: are you updating the code fore sure target or for falloff? I normally animate my cameras with a null anyways, so I'd like for falloff to be updated. I understand if it's too difficult to roam around in the code though ;)

A good workaround for animating camera with nulls is to pickwhip the individual camera controls to the null (with a tiny expression of course). This way, the camera position can move, and the falloff plugin can detect it... not sure how point of interest plays into it though...
January 21st, 2009 @ 7:48 pm
Hiii Andrew, you the really the "GR8 GURU" of AFTER EFFECTS......Thanks man thanks 4 the nice tip.....
It was my 1st time when I had written in ur blog regarding this SURE TARGET doubt & I didn't expect that you will dedicate a new blog on this small topic. I am overwhemled at ur response. You are the benefactor of people like me.....Thanks again.....
Keep up ur good work of enlighting us through ur knowledge......

With love 4m India.
January 21st, 2009 @ 11:57 pm
Another tutorial posted without listing. You are too MUCH!!
Tim Visterin
January 22nd, 2009 @ 1:43 pm
The sure Target works very well with the Evolution flowers. I just went from one forest
to another thanks to sure Target.
Seems like I am making an add for Greenpeace...
Just beautiful,
Thanks Mr Kramer and everybody at Videocopilot,

Antwerp - Belgium
January 22nd, 2009 @ 10:17 pm
You hit it out of the ballpark with Sure target Master Kramer may the force be with you
January 24th, 2009 @ 9:38 am
Great solution..Well done Andrew
March 29th, 2009 @ 7:22 pm
"Like eleven or even twelve?" LOL

Thank you very much Andrew!!!
April 10th, 2009 @ 8:27 pm
Thanks a ton for making more targets. I was trying to do my photography sideshows with Sure Target 10 at a time.
October 30th, 2009 @ 2:54 pm
Thanks a lot for this, I'm genuinely really excited at the prospects of this Preset.
I may be a beginner with AE (hey, I'm only 16yo xD) but hopefully thanks to this I can do a lot more sophisticated effects in my future videos. (:
*big thumbs up*
December 17th, 2012 @ 10:26 pm
I tried this method (Instead in Sure Target 2 and with the 100th target) however, the camera switched its parent to null 2 and when I switched it back to null 1, my targets were out of place and order. Wondering if I am doing something wrong or if Sure Target 2 has some easier way of adding more than 100 targets.
    M. Kozal
    November 10th, 2013 @ 12:55 pm
    Same thing happened to me right now. And before I realized that I saved the project so I'm in a trouble right now :)

    how did you solve it if you can remember? I will try some stuff but would be good to get a quick answer. cheers.
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